Lavaman
#4595 posted by Mike Woodham on 2006/01/01 04:23:29
Has anyone used Rogue's Lavaman?
I thought that when triggered, he is supposed to rise from the lava but all he does is rise to floor level regardless of where he is placed in the map.
Is there a door/platform trick required here?
Lavaman
#4596 posted by Mike Woodham on 2006/01/01 09:50:02
If I change his .movetype from STEP to FLY, he seems to do what I expected.
Does anyone know if I have 'broken' something else by making this change?
Not Without Checking The Code
#4597 posted by necros on 2006/01/01 11:47:17
but since the lavaman doesn't move anyway, it might not matter, but check if rocket explosions will move him around. if he has his onground flag set, than he won't but if that gets taken off, he could start flying all over the place. :P
Necros
#4598 posted by Mike Woodham on 2006/01/01 13:09:06
His flag is 'FL_MONSTER' and 'droptofloor();'was called although I commented that out when I changed him to FLY. I don't know if that is significant.
He doesn't move but the walk frames are there. And he doesn't fly either: he just stands there throwing his lava-lumps.
It's OK but I would prefer him to move.
Stuff
#4599 posted by ijed on 2006/01/01 13:44:08
Ok, a few things I�ve noticed and would like to know ->
why are the texture alignments fucked in Q1? Example, an off-axis crate which looks perfect in WC (properly aligned TX�s etc.) is correct in terms of TX rotation but is off by 32-odd units in each direction in Quake, WTF? I experimented but the problem was perpetual.
Is it possible to import 3dsMax models in .Md format for Quake? If not where can I find a decent .Md supporting editor. I ask because I won�t be making monsters . . . yet . . . but there�s alot of misalignment problems with intricate detail models in Q and I�d prefer to use misc_misc�s (Nehahra model entity) which will look perfect, without any skwiffed geometry.
Last one - I know the text screens in the original Q were coded in ie. on completing an episode, finding a rune - is there an easy way to create your own? This is a question from someone with zero C knowledge.
Thanks.
Ijed
#4600 posted by bambuz on 2006/01/01 15:38:22
This might not be the prob, but for correct tex alignment, use qbsp -oldaxis or -alternateaxis if you use aguirre's tools. (I don't understand why this isn't default!)
Texture Alignment
#4601 posted by aguirRe on 2006/01/01 15:54:28
or rather texture rotation, if that's what you mean. If you're using TreeQBSP with WC, you could try adding the -oldaxis option.
This affects textures that are rotated 45 degrees and historically, there probably was some mixup between different WC versions and TreeQBSP, therefore the option was added. You could also switch to TxQBSP which doesn't have this problem.
If you actually mean texture alignment, then the classic Q1 map format can AFAIK not handle any rotation in all three axes. You'll need an editor that can save to another map format and a compiler to match.
Editors with enhanced texture positioning map formats are e.g. QuArK, Hammer and GtkRadiant and my compilers support QuArK ETP, Hammer (Valve 220) and Q2 format (same as Q3).
D3/Q4 Bad At Handling Complex Brushwork
#4602 posted by Blitz on 2006/01/02 01:26:00
Can someone explain to me why the Doom 3 and Quake 4 incarnations of Radiant are bad at handling complex brushwork?
I was reading over on kat's great site ( http://www.quake3bits.com/htm/tutorials/quake_4_editing_tips.php?subaction=showfull&id=1134661814&archive=&start_from=&ucat=13& ) that Quake 4 and Doom 3 don't handle trisouping well, so it's best to do it in another editor and import as an .ase or whatever.
After I read that, I thought of the issues I had with gaps in the brushwork when I tried making some manual curves in Doom 3 ( http://blitz.circa1984.com/curves.gif )
So, I guess what I'm asking is, why is it that the Doom 3 engine has such a hard time (at least in the editor) handling more complex brushwork like curves and trisouped brushes?
Don't be afraid to give me a fairly technical explanation if possible if anyone does in fact know the technical reason behind this phenomenon.
#4603 posted by Trinca on 2006/01/02 02:46:27
what can i say more then
THKS
aguirRe and JPL
happy new year to u all :)
i promiss that in my next map i will surprise everybody...
D3 Is Fine With Complex Brushwork
#4604 posted by BlackDog on 2006/01/02 04:51:27
In most cases.
Trisouping with brushes doesn't work well for a few reasons. The most important is that smoothing will never occur between brush faces, whereas model and patch geometry can be smoothed. Due to the per-pixel lighting, seams between unsmoothed triangles will look hard and ugly, so trisouping will pretty much never be visually acceptable.
The second big problem is that for whatever reason DoomRadiant lacks the option to project textures axially on brushwork. That means angly brushes can't easily be aligned, which doesn't help the already fucked lighting on unsmoothed brush faces. Using models solves both those issues completely, and is a bit more performance friendly to boot.
Additionally because alpha blending can't happen on light interaction surfaces, blending needs to be controlled by vertex colour. There's no way to do this within DoomEdit, so if you want texture blending in d3 you have to use a model with suitable vertex colours painted in.
The circular brushwork in that shot doesn't look like it'd be problematic to me assuming everything is on the grid, although since smoothing will not occur on those brushes you will see seams. The editor preview sometimes suffers from sparklies that don't show up in game, and I suspect that's what is going on in that screen. I'd say that the d3 engine is actually more powerful when it comes to curved and complex stuff than any previous id tech, with the caveat that certain lighting conditions can make polygon-heavy scenes very expensive due to the performance-raping goodness that is stencil shadows.
To get the most out of the engine I suggest you use models or patches wherever possible for curved stuff.
Another Note
#4605 posted by pjw on 2006/01/02 07:27:25
When doing trisouping, I've found that it's a really good idea to do it via dragging edges rather than vertexes. Vertex manipulation seems to be kind of unstable (in that it unnecessarily splits faces and sometimes just outright breaks them).
It seems counter-intuitive (or perhaps even impossible when first considered) to do trisouping with only edge-drag--at least it did to me the first time--but it's actually easier once you get used to it...
And yeah, if you want nice seamless (axially-projected) texturing on that surface, I'm pretty sure you're out of luck...
And Yeah
#4606 posted by pjw on 2006/01/02 07:32:32
models/patches are generally a better solution...
MedDle
#4607 posted by ijed on 2006/01/02 08:18:03
Ok, I�ve got 3dsMax (and five years knowledge of it�s use) and want to try creating some bad guys for Quake 1. Where can I find a live MedDle (or equivilant) download link?
cheers
Broken
#4608 posted by madfox on 2006/01/02 10:37:03
I tried some monsters with Animation Master.
MAX3D sure will do, if you have the knowhow.
MedDle link seems to be broken. Only DOS version.
http://meddle.telefragged.com/
http://www.cc.gatech.edu/classes/AY2000/cs4455_spring/planetquake/modediting.html
Happy New Year!
QMLE
#4609 posted by madfox on 2006/01/02 11:13:32
Create your monsters with MAX3D en export them
*.dxf or *.3DS to Qme.
This is a much better program to manipulate Quake1 monsters than MedDle!
Meddle201a3
#4610 posted by madfox on 2006/01/02 11:26:38
Help...
#4611 posted by Mike Woodham on 2006/01/02 11:54:54
...could some kind person make the original progs.dat discussion visible for me?
'View all threads' does nothing for me in IE6 or Green Browser.
Green Browser...
#4612 posted by metlslime on 2006/01/02 12:12:17
is it biodegradable?
Haven't A Clue
#4613 posted by Mike Woodham on 2006/01/02 12:31:57
I tried Green Browser 'cause aguirRe had recommended it sometime ago as an IE alternative.
I just get a 'Cannot find server or DNS Error' when I click on View All Threads or News Archive.
I am trying to review the original Progs.dat thread as there are some things in there I want to try.
Quad Soup
#4614 posted by kat on 2006/01/02 12:50:42
If you find edge dragging difficult on trisouped brushes (as pjw mentioned above) try using 'quad'souping instead. Rather than use triangular block use square blocks which make edge draggin much easier and you can still get some pretty interesting 'terrain' shapes as well.
sock has a couple of tutorials on his site about quad souping (I thought I had them linked but haven't added them to the new version of meh site yet)
View All Threads
#4615 posted by aguirRe on 2006/01/02 13:37:51
works fine here in my GreenBrowser, you might be having local DNS issues. Func_ has been a bit reluctant lately, though. Very high latency and sometimes inaccessible.
Metl: The Chinese free biodegradable GreenBrowser has its name because it unlike most other Windows apps doesn't clutter your system at all. Everything is kept in one dir and works really well. Try it: http://www.morequick.com/indexen.htm
AguirRe
#4616 posted by Mike Woodham on 2006/01/02 15:24:27
I've never been able to View All Threads - I mean never as in never, ever, not nohow in any case ever, never.
I think I reported this once before. I think that's where your suggestion of GreenBrowser came from.
Can someone drag it to the Last 10 Posts area for me. Pretty please with sugar?
Max 7
#4617 posted by than on 2006/01/02 16:23:03
Although I probably won't bother, is it possible to make Quake monsters in Max 7? Can you still export them to work in Meddle.
Hmm, maybe it has some legacy file exporters remaining?
Progs Thread Bumped
#4618 posted by aguirRe on 2006/01/02 17:08:17
.
Than
#4619 posted by necros on 2006/01/02 17:57:44
yes.
to be more verbose, any app that can export to dxf format could be used in theory to make meshes. just make sure you hide any non-mesh geometry, like bones, helpers, etc when exporting.
i'd recommend QME3.0 though, but that's just because that's what i use. :P
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