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Finnish/Release the mythical beast, I (and others) have been waiting aeons, hoping for the latest blessing from "Lord" Bal Appease your followers, Nay, Your servants, let us not die of hunger in the wilderness, waiting for the promise. 
Grrrrr... 
Isn't there an impostor amoung us ??? If it is, it sucks... :(( 
Kell 
Thank you for the info, I await it's release. ............. dum dee dum dee dum 
Imposter? 
Nah, I'm Bal...
Vorelord: The map isn't good enough for me to bother taking the time to finish it, maybe someday when I have lots of free time and am totally bored. 
Bal 
proove it !!! 
Pushplay: 
try irc.us.gamesurge.net 
Metlslime 
Thanks. I guess redphive is being a player hater. 
 
 
If Found This Article To Be Interesting 
HeadThump 
Thanks, I liked that. I guess head over heels got twisted the same way as have your cake and eat it too. Though I always preferred ass over teakettle. 
I Often Wonder About Word Origins 
esp. derogatory or 'blue' terms. For instance, the 'Blues' came about to describe a sexual or lurid vibe in that style of music (Jelly Roll Morton, Robert Johnson). Only later under the influence of the Chicago Club artist of the fifties did it come to be associated with whining about life circumstance naratives (B B King).

Or take the word 'cracker'. It is used today as a harder edged varient of 'redneck' (which came about to describe sharecropper fieldhands). Since the sociologist-comedien Jeff Foxworthy quantified the meaning of the later word, it has lost its hard edge.

I have heard that the term 'cracker' originally was a derogatory term used by the English to describe the Scots. 'Cracker' referring to cracked oats which the English believed was only good for horsefeed. I don't know the merit of that story, however. 
Erm 
I always preferred ass over teakettle.

because you couldn't fit your cock down the spout? 
What The Heck? 
OK, some time back I uninstalled System Shock 2 to make room for another game (cough, Sims, cough.)

Now, that game is history, so I go to reinstall SS2. Everything seems to go fine. I fire it up. Splash screen, screen changes resolution, blinks - and I'm spat back to the desktop. No error messages, no explanation.

Can anyone suggest what's going worng? (BTW - DirectX 8.1, so it's not that.) 
Well, For One Thing... 
The word wrong is spelled wrong; it should be spelled W-R-O-N-G. 
Lol 
how helpful you are, smartass 
System Shock 2 Troubles 
FC, can't offer anything to help but I had exactly the a similar problem with Thief 2 last night, I can get into menus etc. but it tanks as soon as it gets to a bit that would be using the 3D renderer. I've just tried SS2 after reading your post and it does exactly the same thing as Thief 2. I've never had Thief 2 installed on this PC before, but SS2 ran fine when I replayed it a few months back (with DirectX 9.0a), so a recent driver or Windows patch must buggering up Dark Engine games.

I tried forcing various emulation moded with RivaTuner last night to see if I could get Thief 2 to start but no joy. 
Both Are Based Upon 
the same engine also used in the first No One Lives Forever. Many of the methods (directdraw, direct3d) have been streamlined in the pipeline in later versions of DirectX. I can see how this could create incompatablilites. Is there an OpenGl option in the set up? If so, try it out. If not, I doubt if you would want to to take out 8.1 or 9.0 for good ol' reliable Direct 6.0 (which made FallOut look so good). 
NOLF Used LithTech 
I mean you are likely to have similar problems with compatabilaty. 
SHOCK NEWS GASPER! 
<Shambler> go finish bladm53
<Bal> yes


REJOICE AND BE GLAD! 
SS2/Thief/NOLF 
Headthump: Looking Glass Studios' Dark Engine (Thief, Thief 2, System Shock 2) is not the same thing as Monolith's Lithtech (Shogo, NOLF, Blood 2, AVP2, etc.). I'm not sure whether that is what you are saying or not.

Fatty: There's a bunch of stuff about our problems in sticky threads on the Through The Looking Glass forums. Apparently it is a driver problem with nvidia's latest... Some people have been able to get it going without downgrading their drivers, although sadly it didn't work for me.

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/ 
Shallow 
yeap, I realized that was poorly worded in #4385. I simply meant both engines used the same generation version of DirectX so the problem would be likely replicated.

Though, your indication that the problem is likely to be with driver support instead of backward incompatabilaty with the software gets my attention.

When playing Deus Ex mods with DirectX 8.1 on my home system (P III 733Mhz, GeForce 2 Mx series) I get a lot of slow down, stutter and ugly pixelated rendering. This is alleviated by switching it to OpenGl. 
HERESY !!! 
http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=382917

Oh God, ZTN, Stop them :)

Or at least I hope it's good 
I Love 
those shots of ztn3dm1... they really give you a good feeling for the aesthetics of the map. Or at least it's a chance to see what q3a looks like when played in 'over-competitive asshole mode'. 
Yeah, 
I've never understood that, I couldn't play with features turned down. Sure, if you've got to cut back for performance issues I guess, but I'd rather go and get a new CPU or vid card or whatever, and keep everything to the max 
People Do That Stuff 
to win, win, win. Aesthetics doesn't come in to it. Having a config file that turns off all the graphics and turns your opponent into a glowing red target is fair enough if you're a pro I guess, but if you aren't it just screams TWAT to me. 
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