I read you can hide/unhide stuff in d3 on trigger - that way the 'hallucination' parts are made, when you suddenly see blood on the walls and other satanic models appear

cant recall details, look\ask at d3w 

D3 has this "Demonic influence" feature, though it hardly seems to be used. It means that guis and some models and lights have alternate versions that are only showed when the demonic influence is switched on. Seems like id didn't use that too much tho.

Also there are spectrums in lights, that is you set a light to only light up materials which are in the same spectrum, so you could make a light that lights up all spectrums, and you see blood and gore wherever you shine it or whatever. Make it flicker and move around for spooky effects! boo! 

cool :) 

Doors, plats, trains all are bmodels and use up a precache thing.

what about triggers? trigger_relays? what if a trigger_relay was a point entity and not a brush?

quark used to make the trigger_relays as point entities, while gtkr makes them as brushes. i never bothered changing it to point entities, but if they can save a precache slot, it would be worth the effort 

In the quake source they are always point entities, they don't use a bmodel if they have one. So yes, switch them to point entities and you'll save a precache(I'm sure I'm correct in saying every bmodel is precached automatically even if it's never used). The same goes for a trigger_counter, although that one tends to be done correctly more often. 

Super-newbieish question but I had some difficulties in my speedmap:
I made a func door, gave it targetname "eastcage".
Then a func_button to open it (target "eastcage"). I wanted to make it so you need the silver key to be able to press the button.

WC doesn't immediately show a spawnflag for that, so I used the same bit as a func_door would require if you made it silver key only.

This didn't work, the button was still pushable without the key. Also making the eastcage door silverkey-spawnflagged didn't do anything special, it still opened if you pushed the button without the key. So I turned the button to a func_door with a target of "eastcage". Now I could silver-key-spawnflag it, and it worked. Now the button can only be pushed if i have the key. Except now the eastcage door can be opened directly by touching?! (if I have the key) I even made a dummy button with the target of "eastcage" and hid it, but the door is still touch-openable (with the silver key). I gave up.

I don't remember if I had the vanilla or czg flavor fgd. 

just remove 'requires silverkey' from the door? 

you must have just forgot the spawnflag on the blocking doors (or the two are cross-linked and you need to check the 'doors don't link' spawnflag on both the button door and the blocking doors.

as a general rule of thumb, if your doors are fucking up in some odd way, check for cross linking doors and check the spawnflag as necessary. 

but I did the same with my speed map using a func_door with a silver_key spawnflag to open a second set of doors door. It worked fine without causing any triggers to shoot off before 'touch' activating with the silver key in hand. If you want to see the map let me know, I'll shoot it your way when I get home. 

when I get home, I'll try taking the silverkey spawnflag off the cage door and see if it takes the open-by-touch issue away. The "don't link" shouldn't apply here because the problem was not that the door is opening when another door is opened, rather that the door itself opens when it is touched... or well, dunno, might try that too. Thanks guys!
I put the .map file in the zip, although I'm not sure if it's a wise thing to do, if people do that, the .maps just start adding like mad and end up gathering dust in id1/maps... but this is already off-thread. 

... but this is already off-thread.

waitaminutehere, after 4354 posts its finally off thread? :P 

doors with a targetname only open when they are triggered. or did i miss something? 

What is it about scraggs that allow them to fly through walls and doors when other monsters can't?

Is it the code, their size, the fact that they fly. (or are they just bastards anyway!) 

and fishes are crazy, they follow you around everywhere. I'm not sure about spawn, but I think I've seen them misbehave too. I haven't seen any code that explicitly should let them do this. 

it's option 4: bastards! evile bastards at that. 

Option 4 ?? What's this ? Again a ununderstable joke for non anglo-saxon native, or is it a real feature ? 

it's a bug, apparently in the engine code that lets flying and swimming monsters sometimes clip through walls for no apparent reason but can sometimes be brought on by having a few of them in an enclosed space. 

I there a way in Quake to print a message when the player has died? 

to my knowledge at least. 

to everyone who helped me. The door stopped being touch-openable when I removed the "requires silver key" -spawnflag. Now if someone would upload the speedmaps... 

Is there any bsp compiler that parses func_groups, so I wouldnt need to 'move to world' each time I want to check the map in game. ( Im resistiing to use that java mapconverter) 

meant you had the problem solved. I probably could have saved you some time there. Sorry. 

Hi hi.

How can I get a dead player inside a single player map?

I've seen it on Menk (http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/maps/menk.zip). I'd like to copy it.

Any ideas? 

Make a point entity in your map, and give it a classname of func_illusionary. Then set it's model field to "progs/player.mdl" and it's frame to the corresponding frame number in player.mdl for a dead body - I think 53 is one such frame. For more details, see http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=37116 

What Preach said. Also I looked into menk source and found that I used frame 93 and.. I used class viewthing instead of func_illusionary, I saw it in someone's map.