Bsp Wasn't Built.
#4278 posted by Drew on 2005/09/23 13:44:13
when I try to run my map in worldcraft I get an error message saying that the bsp wasn't built, and asking if I want to continue anyways.
Why does this kind of thing happen?
Any idea how I should go about fixing it?
Thanks.
Drew...
#4279 posted by generic on 2005/09/23 14:41:41
Check out the last few entities/triggers you created/changed and make sure there isn't anything funky with their settings. Remove them and recompile the map as necessary. The QBSP_LOG file may be of further assistance.
Good luck!
Anti-camping?
#4280 posted by Maric on 2005/09/23 20:40:30
Ok, I have taken a short detour from my small SP dealy. I have been playing about with a simple DM map and I have an area that is very campable. I would like to have a shoot-able switch that resets every 30 seconds or so and makes that campable area a deadly place to hang out. I'd like the damage to be inflicted for only a second or so and the resest until the switch is reset. In Q2 maps I have used func_explosion with a multiple fire switch. Also complicating things, I have a tele-destination in / at the area I want to target...
Suggestions on the best way to accomplish this?
Well,
#4281 posted by necros on 2005/09/23 21:13:54
you can just make a big door that's hidden in the ceiling and has a very high speed (2000+) and whatever damage you want.
have it targetted by a button with a high wait (30 seconds like you said)
or, you can make the door visible and build a crusher thing and make it a prominent part of the map, whatever works.
Generic
#4282 posted by negke on 2005/09/24 04:11:36
i don't think teleporting items are possible in vanilla quake.
the workaround would be to have a small closet with a door (and an optional func_illusionary) on the ceiling which opens at a certain event, lets the items drop out and then closes to make the surface seem solid again; or let items rise from a hidden hole in the floor.
I've Seen Mods With Grenades That Go Thru Teleporters
#4283 posted by Baker on 2005/09/24 10:12:00
>i don't think teleporting items are possible in
>vanilla quake
I don't know if this counts as an item
Speedrunning Friendly Maps - What Should Be Avoided / Be There
#4284 posted by Ankh on 2005/09/24 11:34:30
Does anyone here care about quake speedrunning? Anyway, maybe someone has some thoughts.
What are the main aspects to make a map speedrunning friendy? The most obvious is to stay clear of clip brushes which block players movement. But I'm shure there are more aspects. What do you think?
Hmmm...
#4285 posted by Maric on 2005/09/24 11:59:56
The moving door will not work out well due to this being an outdoor area... Ain't no lid on da' crib.
I was thinking of an area_damage, can this be toggled multiple times via a button / switch?
Ankh
#4286 posted by aguirRe on 2005/09/24 12:35:27
I'm no runner but a GL, potential vertical shortcuts and slopes should help. If you haven't already, check out RDE: http://www.planetquake.com/rde .
Kell/necros: Re Chapters
#4287 posted by Mike Woodham on 2005/09/24 12:38:10
'By default, mapobjects to do not block movement. To implement this simply, add a clip brush of the dimensions noted above placed on the floor'
Why did you choose not to make the braziers block movement without using clip_brushes? Did you foresee occasions when not blocking movement was an advantage for this/these models?
Maric
#4288 posted by R.P.G. on 2005/09/24 13:53:20
I don't think trigger_hurt entities are triggerable. I think your only triggerable option is to have a func_door that squashes the player. You could, theoretically, have a set of spikeshooters that are triggered by the button, but I suspect that in order to give significant damage, there would need to be so many spikeshooters that they would lag all the players.
Alternatively, you could set a trigger_hurt in the campable area that does 1-2 damage per second. Plenty of time to grab the quad or whatever, but you still don't want to sit around there.
Generic
#4289 posted by Mike Woodham on 2005/09/24 14:11:03
I have teleporting health in my WIP map but I did it by modifying items.qc.
#4290 posted by Maric on 2005/09/24 14:24:56
I think your only triggerable option is to have a func_door that squashes the player.
This is pretty much what I ended up doing, although in a reversal of what necros (thank you btw) suggested. I have the brush coming up from the floor smashing the player up into a clip brush. I guess it works out ok, I'll find out via beta testing...
The map is ready for a beta run, anyone interested?
Maric
#4291 posted by Kell on 2005/09/24 15:43:48
one last suggestion, hope it isn't too late:
You could make the floor of the area a func_door that drops a short distance, maybe 8 units, into a trigger_hurt with massive damage. Just as long as the trigger_hurt was lower than the func_door's raised position, but higher than it is in its lowered position...if you follow o_O
The advantage to this over the vertically moving crusher is that you won't need a clip brush or other solid 'squish' surface overhead.
I used this mechanism for the sacrficial pit in my early DM map Animositania, as an anti-camping measure where the pent was located.
Ooooooooh...
#4292 posted by Maric on 2005/09/24 16:18:20
You could make the floor of the area a func_door that drops a short distance, maybe 8 units, into a trigger_hurt with massive damage. Just as long as the trigger_hurt was lower than the func_door's raised position, but higher than it is in its lowered position...
I like that one and its not too late either, I am in no hurry.
Making that change does not change my need to have it tested in the current state that it is in. It is "finished" and fully compiled, I need suggestions on items / weapons loadout and layout, some lighting tweaks and comments on exactly what is the most common approach to clipping architecture.
/me throws out some bait...
http://www.maricscabinet.com/1q2a.jpg
Mike:
#4293 posted by necros on 2005/09/24 20:47:54
well, we decided to leave it up to the mapper because we didn't know where the mapmodels might be used. for example, a map i'm working on has the bordering on corners. if they were clipped to the dimensions, they would hinder movement quite a bit. but since it's not preset, i put a clip brush that clips 45 degrees, so a triangle, basically, instead of a square, and that lets the player move smoothly around the corner but doesn't let them move into the object.
also, for the shorter braziers, you might want to place them out in the middle of a floor where you wouldn't want to clip them at all (so the player doesn't trip on them).
it's all about freedom and customizability.
Btw, Maric
#4294 posted by necros on 2005/09/24 20:49:35
that map looks really good! :o
if i was even remotely interested in DM, i'd offer. :P
Necros
#4295 posted by Mike Woodham on 2005/09/24 23:56:00
Good point, thanks.
Maric
#4296 posted by inertia on 2005/09/25 00:08:23
if its for q1, send it to sollers DOT inertia -AT- gmail DOT com and i'll have a look at it for you. additionally, i need to know what player load you are making it for (1on1, 2on2, 3on3, FFA, etc)
Hmm...
#4297 posted by drew on 2005/09/25 12:55:48
I have a problem with my map, once again. I have "cross connected doors".
What does that mean?
thanks guys
Drew
#4298 posted by PuLSaR on 2005/09/25 13:09:42
I'm not sure but I remember I had a problem with 4 door angled 0 90 180 270. At least one door should not have the right angle (271 1 89).
Check The
#4299 posted by necros on 2005/09/25 13:15:01
'doors don't link' spawn flag! rawr!
Maric
#4300 posted by inertia on 2005/09/25 16:26:30
a) get rid of the silly clip brushes above the quad
b) make the GA an RA or YA and add in other armors in other places
c) I like the quad placement and the quad teleporter placement
d) the placement of the high powered weapons is not very good:
the RL can see both the GL and the LG... this equals map domination and stuff etc etc
solution: add another rocket launcher on the lower levels, and switch the existing rl and lg positions
see how that plays! I'd suggest more radical changes but 1) i think it will play pretty well how it stands and 2) i dont have a very good qw setup here, so its hard for me to get a perfect grasp on the map dynamics
glhf! it looks really good also...
but make the blackness a sky texture, so rockets die when they hit it, and make it so players die on the vertical walls, not just the bottom of the abyss
Mike And Neg!ke...
#4301 posted by generic on 2005/09/25 17:12:12
Thanks for the input and sorry for the slow response. I am implementing Neg!ke's "false ceiling/floor" in my latest speedmap, but thanks Mike for the QC idea :)
Maric
#4302 posted by Kell on 2005/09/25 18:56:30
Haven't played the map, but it sounds like inertia has some good feedback there.
Except: but make the blackness a sky texture, so rockets die when they hit it
Don't do this. Actually, yeah...go ahead and do it, then see how the map runs while the engine tries to calculate that much sky animation every frame :P
Not very render-friendly if played without a skybox.
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