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Fucking people should grow some testicles and put up a fight against depression. = Some people talk too much bullshit.
Typical statements of people who never seriously had to deal with those things themselves. Everybody reacts to and approaches problems/situations/requirements etc differently. If one person can cope with everything just fine, it doesn't mean everybody else can easily do so as well. People evaluate their existence within their own specific context, so what seems redundant to some might very well be worth complaining about to other, since modern society only theoretically offers equal opportunities for all. Arguing that everyone who isn't as content and rejoicing as they supposedly should because life could be so much worse seems pretty arrogant to me. Then again, I agree there is something about western society that really fosters this, at least to a certain extend. Basic needs are being fulfilled, but then maybe a competition for the rest sets in. Arguing that everyone who isn't as content and rejoicing as they supposedly should is a just a whiny emo...
A big difference between having a mental illness and being a whiny negative cunt.
This thread was basically complete after the first handful of posts. It's been years since I read it, all I really remember is that it emphasizes on giving positive feedback to your outside, even if it might be not what you think is right, resulting in a profite for both you and the receiver.
the receiver doesn't profit from that (in the long run), and you suddenly are a lier. Humanity certainly doesn't profit :(
I just mean what I'm saying from exprience!
"How to win freinds and influence people" sounds more like an anger management ethic to me. Ijed - The thread is complete when either somebody closes it or when people stop posting on it. Everybody has a right to discuss things, not just some early posting l00tists with big egos and small cock/balls Neg - More like sombody who has been at rock bottom in enough of a manner for him to talk about on internet chat-rooms, and who decided that life isn't just going to go away. Things can be fixed when they are broken, freindships can be re made, self esteem can be repaired, confidence grows and is infectious. Self respect comes from what a person does. You are what you do. That's all im saying. So maybe you had a bad time, something sad has happened to you, something has happened which was horrible and unfair? Well you say FUCK THAT SHIT!!!!! You dont need drugs and therapy, you need to pull yourself together! Maybe you do need drugs and therapy, but they dont magically make problems or memories go away. A person has to want to change in order to change. we're talking about the actual disease of modern society, then I would say you're waaaaay off. Yes emo people suck. But the ignorant religious zealots are hindering most (any?) progress that modern societies need to continue to develop and thrive. That's the real disease of modern society, not some chemically-imbalanced whiny people. Many religious groups actually try to spread ignorance and say how evil science is. It's ridiculous.
Sorry to switch topics of the thread, I just felt the title lent itself better to religious zealotry rather than some whiny people. "If one person can cope with everything just fine, it doesn't mean everybody else can easily do so as well."
Yes but it doesn't meen they should just give up, either! The key word there is "easily". I mean who ever said life is easy? So you have to put effort in. You put effort in, you get stuff out. No put in, no out. frib, kinn and tronyn pretty much covered my feelings on the topic although I do agree with negke to an extent.
But, I do think there is a question as to whether one person's worry/whining over what may seem stupid to an observer but is quite important to them personally is less important than another person's worry/whining over something that is important to them personally but can also be seen by others as necessary/worthwhile. You cant worry about something you have never felt. Sure, you can understand, you can empathise, or you can do the opposite and pass judgment, but you cant feel it till its actually happened to you. So you are always going to be limited as to what you can complain and worry about :) So whether you are a whiny cunt if you are not someone with 'genuine' problems, probably, but I'm not so sure the answer is so clear cut. said that serious depression does not warrant medical attention and medication and that people having it should "just pull themselves together" is obviously a retard who has never had to deal with real depression or any close family member having depression.
What I was trying to say is that I think a 'pull yourself together' attitude is a fair bit too general or even superficial in many cases. Of course it's not impossible to achieve something by rethinking one's situation, but it always depends.
Besides, the topic was probably not so much about the hard cases but rather the general tendency of modern society to never really be satisfied despite all apparent benefits. The repercussions of capitalism might play into this, as well as technology, popular culture and what not. ..in all society, you will find people that are not happy about their own situation.
Nowadays, every weakness is put into the "depressing illbess pot", and anti-depressing medics save your life... Not really actually, it just attenuates the effects, and do not change your global situation. People need to react, that's all. In other words, whatever is the reason of being depressive, whatever your situation is (financial, social, etc...) the whining people should sort out their fingers from their asshole... though.. It sounds easy, but if depressed people just wait for others help, how do you want to evolve, and pass over the depressing state ? "Help yourself, Lord will help you" :D this thread is too highbrow for me
It's too highbrow for some of the participants too but that doesn't stop them posting at great length. On the contrary my freind (god I'm going round in circles here) - I speak from experience. Im not saying that therapy and anti-depressants are evil, or that nobody should ever need them. People DO get depressed, and DO need medical assistance. But I think that society often uses these things (particularily the drugs) to easily. Let me give you a real life example.
My mother after the birth of her third child developed some sort of internal abdominal pains, which grew worse with time and wouldnt go away. So she sought out medical attention, and went to see the doctor. The doctors wouldn't do more than just give her a brief check-over and told her that they couldn't do anything, that they didnt know what was causeing the pain, but "if the constant pain was getting her down they could put her on a course of anti-depressants" "but I'm not depressed!" she would tell them. "I dont want anti depressants, I just want to find out what is wrong with me!" The doctors eventually told her that the pains were probably caused by a hormone in-balance caused by the birth of her childeren, and that she could take supermarket-bought herbal remedies to try and kurb the symptoms, but she would have to get used to them ultimately, as she would suffer for the rest of her life! My mopther felt relieved by this news, as she had been told that there was a reason for the pain - a hormine imbalance caused by the birth of her childeren. So she did not go on a course of anti depressants. She was satisfied enough with trying to fight the symptoms with the herbal remedies. ###years later### Having met a new freind, a lady who was a professional dietician, she was taling about her symptoms. Her freind very quickly said: "I can tell you straight away that what you are sufferring from is coeliacs symdrome (intolerece to wheat) and lactose intolerance, and waht you need to do is stop eating wheat and milk, and you will feel much better" So now my mother doesn't east wheat and doesnt eat dairy foods, and she says that she has never felt better! :) If she had chosen the anti-depressants as the doctor had recommended right at the start she could have been dependant on these by the time she was properly diagnosed. The doctors were stupid for not noticing such and obvious problem. They were very VERY quick to offer her the drugs. THERE WAS NEVER ANYTHING WRONG WITH MY MOTHER - SHE DID NOT HAVE DEPRESSION. My exprience with depression is far worse than that, and I am not prepared to dicuss it here, right now. But I will say that when a person hits rock bottom, they learn what is valuable in life, and what part of them needs to grow up. Depression is caused by lack of solutions. In-action. Real-life occurences. Drugs alone wont fix the problem, only make it worse. What fixes depression is solutions. Real-life changes. Work. Depression was never the issue of this thread. The issue was whiners.
People who are actually depressed don't sit around whining on blogs, dressing up (buying cloths!), writing poems, etc trying to get sex/emotional credit. Think of it this way. 200 years ago, people who were really depressed would have killed themselves. And the whiners would have realized that whining got them nowhere, gotten a job, and THEN tried getting some sex/emotional credit. Our society has gotten to a point where certain classes of people need to work so little that they have no practical idea of life at all - forget predators and starvation, they aren't even aware of anything at all about the economy which supports them. Almost everyone who falls under the category "whiner" thinks, as Fribbles' original post specified, "I'm a talented and unique little snowflake, and yet everybody hates me and doesn't appreciate me." No one involved in the real world could believe that. I hope the depressed people get help, and the whiners botch their attention-grab fake suicide attempts and die for real. PS Kinn I totally agree with what you said
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