exactly... this whole thing is strange, even for func 

hey guys way to take just a totally light hearted jab at a jam and turn it into a psycho analysis of some random eastern European dude. 

Bloody obviously not better to make it a cutesy ironic inside joke, that comes off as underhanded and actually meaner than skacky's original intention.

Exotic his opinions may or may not be, he did straight up say his tastes are "more refined" than the rest of Quaddicted. If you put yourself on a pedestal you automatically open yourself to the possibility of becoming target practice.

Worst case scenario is that they don't like the speedmaps created. 

he did straight up say his tastes are "more refined" than the rest of Quaddicted

No matter how much i check his comments or the forum not only i can't see that, but nowhere about he talking about himself.

I went with the flow before and tried to redirect a bit the topic, but i have to say that this is getting out of hand, and just because a guy didn't like two popular releases. 

So are we speedmapping or no? 

Nah, we're all bickering over pointless shit, as usual, and making me pass for a huge asshole because that's what func_ is about. 

 

So I should scrap my box room with one shambler? 

 

Congrats to Naitelveni especially who made a fun map in under four hours.

I don't thank the other few people who just like to endlessly complain, undermine community efforts and somehow know my intentions better than I do. I will not bother anymore. You know who you are. 

Some of us weren't in on the joke, kinda felt left out. Also, there's another Jam going on and people are using their limited spare time to work on that. Myself included.

@Muk This is a demo I did at work. Pretty derpy. Not used to mac keyboard and Quake. I want to play it again. It's gorgeous. This is from the file you posted on Discord.

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/demos/sm180_mukor1.dem.zip 

Thanks for the demo! Sorry about the health pack in a spot you cant reach it. i didnt think that one through obviously! lol 

I usually try to keep out of Func drama and I don't mean to tread on any toes with this, but here goes --

I have a lot of respect and appreciation for Skacky's, Naitelveni's and mukor's work, and I am not saying it was anybody's intention to be mean. And though I basically share the sentiments of post #3917, I respect the fact people have different opinions on the matter, and if the "joke" is something people found cathartic/funny/something that inspired them to map, then I guess it's served a useful purpose -- but then can we please leave it at that, as a joke that exists in the Func Speedmapping thread?

The problem is that regardless of intent, as it stands the name of the pack still comes across as mean-spirited. Explicitly mocking people who are not part of the Func mapping community and are just playing maps on Quaddicted seems like a good way to alienate players and sets a really bad precedent.

So can the title of sm180_pack in the release thread please be renamed to "unthemed" (seeing as they are essentially two unthemed maps anyway)? 

It's only explicit mocking if for whatever internalised reason you choose to interpret it as explicit mocking. 

It's really hard to see how it can be read any other way: it calls out a particular commenter on Quaddicted by name. It's not someone who has requested a map pack like this, nor someone any of the authors have been in conversation with about creating a map pack.

So when suddenly, a speedmap pack pops up with the title "Maps that [this person] can enjoy", it certainly doesn't come across as genuine -- especially given the fact that the commenter in question has expressed opinions that deviate from the popular consensus (and has on at least one occasion received an uncalled-for snooty response). 

Its worth noting that the uncalled for snooty response wasnt from anyone on func. OTP and skacky spoke in defense of repus. (Sepulcher review)

I put a lot of time into my map. Hope he likes it. 

Repus Guest
2 December 2017, 10:35

Well, Mr. Guest (couldn't think of something less banal for the nickname?), I actually did wrote positive comments on some levels, for example The Canal, and I actually do know what goes into map making, 'cause I created a level of my own back in early 2000's.

Your statement about only negative comments shows that you haven't downloaded many levels from this resource, otherwise you would definitely find some positive feedback.

There are no rules on this website allowing only positive comments, and the fact that I don't like some levels that the majority of people adore is, perhaps, I have better refined taste and I don't follow the crowd that just likes 95% of what is posted over here. That's too bad for me, 'cause it's hard for me to find a level to enjoy.

https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/ion01.html

How's that for an uncalled-for snooty response?? 

it's hard for me to find a level to enjoy. 

I think there is a good chance Repus might be delighted by the attention and start writing and singing songs for Skacky/Naitelveni/mukor ;) 

Scratch that...I read some of Repus' offensive reviews and he fucking deserves to be shit on and hope he does not feel delighted by the attention :D 

Its worth noting that the uncalled for snooty response wasnt from anyone on func. OTP and skacky spoke in defense of repus. (Sepulcher review)

Yes, I am aware of that. I wasn't blaming anyone on Func for that reponse and I appreciate that they spoke up in defense of Repus.

I am also aware of the comment quoted in its entirety above. I don't condone that comment by any means, but it is in my opinion important to keep in mind that Repus was clearly getting defensive after being called out by Guest, whose criticism of Repus's earlier comments, though not entirely unjustified, was itself a little too strongly worded and exaggerated. You see this sort of thing all the time. Plus, it's important to note that despite the defensively worded response to Guest in the ion01 comment section, Repus seems to have taken especially JMP's criticism to heart, and has subsequently left comments that were still critical, but more respectfully worded.

In any case, the point is that there are many comments on Quaddicted that are a little silly/too emotionally worded/etc. Responding to the person in the relevant comment section, as JMP did to Repus, or as onetruepurple did to MikeTaylor and Greed, is an appropriate way of dealing with it. Directly referencing it in a map pack title is not. 

Besides, quoting and drawing attention to an unfortunately worded comment by Repus or MrKilles's second comment above arguably just proves what I said before, namely that this comes across as mean-spirited, even if it wasn't the intention.

@mukor, again, I don't mean to suggest that you or Skacky or Naitelveni weren't being genuine. 

Even if the content creators took offense at the guys attitude, maybe they created maps with a title to give a fuck you to offender...making something positive of it for others at the same time.

I think its the liberty of the offended creators to do something like this. Its not even rude, its productive, and it evacuates some frustration, awesome!

If repus were a respectfull critic, and/or a content creator and not some offensive cunt it would be something else..

You cannot justify that this would drive anyone away excpet for repus himself maybe.

Fucking stop pansying about.

Repus : 0
Eveyone else : +1 

I wasn't part of this speedmapping session, apart from playing and enjoying the maps and spicing up Skacky's news post.

I do appreciate that you've posted some serious discussion on any controversy without just insulting people. 

Thanks for responding.

I wasn't part of this speedmapping session

Yes, I realise you weren't a co-author, but I directed my post to you as well in your capacity as moderator, seeing as you can edit the name and content of the release post/thread after the fact.

And see #3946 for yet further proof of what I mean.