Ok I didn't mean to come off as outrageous,

And I'm not trying to curtail someones free speech. What I'm saying is nothing could compel me to come forward and dismiss such a swath of maps, without finding SOMETHING to like. I cannot understand the psychology behind it, and I find it dubious and unrealistic that someone could genuinely dislike this free content, and yet they still bother to play an ancient 20+ year old game. I simply do not find it genuine.

I also find it impossible to follow the logic behind this persons "likes" and "do not likes" as there appears to be no understandable, or reproducible criteria behind what is good and what is bad.

To some it up: I'm having trouble with this Simpson character. Is he supposed to have some sort of neurological impairment? Like Rain Man or Awakenings? 

Find it hard to see a common thought process there, so i'll probably contribute with anything non related.

Or maybe the theme could be about doing something strange or incoherent? That be feasible. 

after checking around his last over dozen of comments, while i see how he isn't well valued because of not liking some popular maps and i haven't played them myself so i don't know if what he says makes sense or not, it doesn't seem to be that he blurts out things out of rage, fandom, or childish behaviour like typical in this cases or that he is on the level of hkbattousai's comments. So i don't think what i wrote previously as true anymore.

So far i can say that:
- He prefers action packed ones.
- Is picky about the variety of encounters.
- Hunts for secrets.
- Doesn't complain much about some extra difficulty or a bit of ammo management.
- Don't like much the harder traps.
- Handle or like exploration in small quantities.
- Seems to me that he prefers ideas over solidity of maps, as long as the brushwork isn't simple.
You can work with that info, but i don't think he like speedmaps to begin with, so it will be a challenge. 

Speedmapping is good. But let's be honest, the theme is really just about calling someone out for having a different taste and being opinionated about it. Even if they may be inconsistent or whatever, his comments state what he liked or disliked and they don't come off as trollish like some others on the site. Putting a highlight on this by means of using it as an official speedmapping theme blows it out of proportion -it's a non-issue after all- and serves to prove his point on how everyone seems to be expected to have a generally positive opinion on maps. I get that this isn't meant to be overly serious, but still feels below us. 

Calling it "A map that someone with a highly refined taste can enjoy" would be more appropriate while keeping the ironic undertone. 

Everyone knows who we're talking about either way. 

The difference is not calling him directly by name and drawing attention, not on a personal level. Better as an inside joke. 

Always trust negke to be a total killjoy. 

Well since it seems that REDACTED(the Quaddicted reviewer in question) = Simon Cowell then to avoid using anyones Quaddicted alias maybe call it:

-Maps for Simon Cowell
-American Idoljam 

And should I care about him? 

exactly... this whole thing is strange, even for func 

hey guys way to take just a totally light hearted jab at a jam and turn it into a psycho analysis of some random eastern European dude. 

Bloody obviously not better to make it a cutesy ironic inside joke, that comes off as underhanded and actually meaner than skacky's original intention.

Exotic his opinions may or may not be, he did straight up say his tastes are "more refined" than the rest of Quaddicted. If you put yourself on a pedestal you automatically open yourself to the possibility of becoming target practice.

Worst case scenario is that they don't like the speedmaps created. 

he did straight up say his tastes are "more refined" than the rest of Quaddicted

No matter how much i check his comments or the forum not only i can't see that, but nowhere about he talking about himself.

I went with the flow before and tried to redirect a bit the topic, but i have to say that this is getting out of hand, and just because a guy didn't like two popular releases. 

So are we speedmapping or no? 

Nah, we're all bickering over pointless shit, as usual, and making me pass for a huge asshole because that's what func_ is about. 

 

So I should scrap my box room with one shambler? 

 

Congrats to Naitelveni especially who made a fun map in under four hours.

I don't thank the other few people who just like to endlessly complain, undermine community efforts and somehow know my intentions better than I do. I will not bother anymore. You know who you are. 

Some of us weren't in on the joke, kinda felt left out. Also, there's another Jam going on and people are using their limited spare time to work on that. Myself included.

@Muk This is a demo I did at work. Pretty derpy. Not used to mac keyboard and Quake. I want to play it again. It's gorgeous. This is from the file you posted on Discord.

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/demos/sm180_mukor1.dem.zip 

Thanks for the demo! Sorry about the health pack in a spot you cant reach it. i didnt think that one through obviously! lol 

I usually try to keep out of Func drama and I don't mean to tread on any toes with this, but here goes --

I have a lot of respect and appreciation for Skacky's, Naitelveni's and mukor's work, and I am not saying it was anybody's intention to be mean. And though I basically share the sentiments of post #3917, I respect the fact people have different opinions on the matter, and if the "joke" is something people found cathartic/funny/something that inspired them to map, then I guess it's served a useful purpose -- but then can we please leave it at that, as a joke that exists in the Func Speedmapping thread?

The problem is that regardless of intent, as it stands the name of the pack still comes across as mean-spirited. Explicitly mocking people who are not part of the Func mapping community and are just playing maps on Quaddicted seems like a good way to alienate players and sets a really bad precedent.

So can the title of sm180_pack in the release thread please be renamed to "unthemed" (seeing as they are essentially two unthemed maps anyway)? 

It's only explicit mocking if for whatever internalised reason you choose to interpret it as explicit mocking. 

It's really hard to see how it can be read any other way: it calls out a particular commenter on Quaddicted by name. It's not someone who has requested a map pack like this, nor someone any of the authors have been in conversation with about creating a map pack.

So when suddenly, a speedmap pack pops up with the title "Maps that [this person] can enjoy", it certainly doesn't come across as genuine -- especially given the fact that the commenter in question has expressed opinions that deviate from the popular consensus (and has on at least one occasion received an uncalled-for snooty response).