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Posted by Baker on 2010/08/20 23:27:49 |
This engine needs its own thread.
Feedback: I like the OS X version, but I have to start it from the terminal for it to work and can't just double-click it like a traditional OS X app. I'm sure you guys already know this, either way great engine.
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#3756 posted by gila on 2021/09/03 17:07:37
What do you mean? If you don't like Quakespasm's console background, you can just either delete conback.lmp from quakespasm.pak file or remove the whole quakespasm.pak file, it only has default.cfg, conback.lmp and six .ent file to fix a couple of entities on maps.
If mod has it's own conback.lmp, then it takes priority over Quakespasm's background, just check Arcane Dimensions or Alkaline for example.
Ok
#3757 posted by Barnak on 2021/09/03 17:40:12
Thanks gila.
I Might
switch back from QSS to the official branch for this version, at least for now. Lots of interesting changes!
QSS For OSX...
#3759 posted by Barnak on 2021/09/03 18:06:11
... still needs an update.
0.94.0 OSX Is Here >
#3760 posted by johnxmas on 2021/09/03 18:56:55
QSS = QuakeSpasm-Spike
#3761 posted by Barnak on 2021/09/03 20:06:29
The Spiked version has more features in its menu, especially the ability to switch mode directly from within the app, which is very usefull.
The OSX version needs an update.
I Mean Switch Mod (not Mode)
#3762 posted by Barnak on 2021/09/03 20:07:16
DOH !
Barnak:
#3763 posted by metlslime on 2021/09/03 23:28:16
the console command "game" should work in QS.
#3764 posted by szo on 2021/09/04 22:00:40
There was some lightmap issues introduced in 0.94.0:
https://sourceforge.net/p/quakespasm/bugs/50/
Fixed in the git repository, will post a 0.94.1 bugfix release in a
few days (I hope.)
Question
What prompted this sudden update? The rerelease or was that a coincidence?
QS dev has been silent (dead?) for some time. Would love to know a bit of the backstory on the new release and future plans.
Don't get me wrong, it's great news to see an update. I literally was planning out a Quakespasm RIP video for my YouTube channel and now I can skip it. :)
An Interesting Question
#3766 posted by CV on 2021/09/05 07:21:08
asked by dumptruck_ds. As common Quake player I abandoned QS for few years ago and shifted to QSS. But we must pay tribute to the enthusiasm of the developers, that as on QS code based [lovely] QSS with same performance but with HUGE superiority in features and visual quality, and now VkQ. Since my hardware do support vulkan I finally can play TerShib without freezes, it runs twice(!) faster (may be it is time to implement Vk into QSS?) But I wonder why .pk3 support still not implemented neither in VkQ nor in QS?
One more time: Thanks to developers for thier hard vork and the opportunity to choose.
PK3 Support
I had already requested PK3 support for vkQuake on Github, but the author rejected it since he "didn't want to encourage mods not compatible with vanilla QS". Basically you are not supposed to use mods with large textures and lots of assets. Which is, plainly said, just wrong. You can save a lot of disk space with pk3. DOTM's pak0.pak shrinks from 700+ MB to under 300 if you save it as pk3, for example. TGA skyboxes get compressed particularly well.
Anyway, vkQ now supports reading QuakeEX.kpf from Quake Enhanced, which is also a zip file, so I don't know what's the problem now still with officially supporting the format.
#3768 posted by mh on 2021/09/05 09:52:00
If you track commits to the QuakeSpasm code you'll have seen that development never really stopped, but also that most recent changes have been relatively minor nips & tucks moreso than anything else.
This signifies to me that the codebase is now mature and stable. It might not be as full-featured as QSS or as highly performant as vkQuake, but in the scope of what it sets out to do, further radical changes would result in it becoming something else.
There are certainly under-the-hood changes that I'd make if it were me, but it's not me, and for most of them it's likely really only the type of person who cares about that kind of thing who would notice.
The Quake 2021 release is a new set of content that people would like to run in their favourite sourceport. Again, going to the various Githubs, you can see QS and vkQuake picking up a common set of code for supporting it.
This is exactly what I'd hoped would happen. Like it or not, the probability is that the new content is going to become the standard that new players get going forward, and supporting it in sourceports is required to prevent the community becoming fragmented and niche.
I'm obviously only on the outside looking in so far as QS development is concerned, but that does indeed seem to have been what prompted this latest release. Hopefully there will be more to come; I'd love to see QS picking up MD5 support, for example, now that we have an officially sanctioned MDL replacement format with a set of ID1 models.
Splitting QS into three main branches feels kinda needless to me at this point, anyway. Why not have QSS's enhanced features and vkQ's renderer in the official build? Often, the branches copy features from each other, anyway, depending on dubious limitations authors choose to impose on their branch for reasons I can't understand.
Also, QSS has fallen a bit behind feature-wise right now. It lacks support for QuakeEX and external .vis files, for example, which are important features. It would really be time to bring all important QS branches to the same development level.
#3770 posted by mh on 2021/09/05 13:30:00
Not everybody wants or needs the new features from QSS, and not everybody runs Vulkan (there are even people having difficulty with it in the 2021 engine). Stock QuakeSpasm is a good, solid baseline with most of the barriers to entry from the old ID engines removed. People can just grab the files, drop them in their Quake folder, and get a good game of Quake that plays quite faithfully to the original but that can run on a wide variety of devices and without much in the way of tweaking or config required. That's reason to exist on it's own.
Well, at least all projects share the same dlls, so all executables can co-exist in the same folder if you want them to.
Personally, I need pk3 and vis support plus accurate underwater warp. There's still no QS variant out there which has all of that.
Mh
I just took a look at the commits. I stand corrected, so it wasn't dead at all. And in retrospect, every QS release has been a bit of a surprise.
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We already do have issues with fragmentation in the single player mapping community that are going to get worse now IMO.
QSS has made tremendous gains and is the daily driver for many high profile mappers, streamers and players. We can blame Arcane Dimensions 1.8 for this. There were some sexy features on display there and for players, online is a bit easier to deal with and more robust in Spiked. The irony is that very few mappers are using the features that peaked their interest in the first place! But "uncoupling" physics and framerate was a welcome addition that people like.
We're already seeing maps by newer or less "disciplined" mappers, that are "broken" by Quakespasm-Spiked. Spike changed the precaching system and a couple other little things that can lead to maps that are slightly broken or even unplayable in good old QS. I try and encourage everyone to use QS while mapping, but as I mentioned above, I nearly did a QS RIP video that would have suggested that mappers just switch to QSS to save everyone headaches. QSS and vkQuake share a lot of code now. Changes that many people like that I presume, aren't ever coming to QS. So even recording demos for mapping feedback is a problem now. These issues are not going away if QS is still alive and kicking.
So I guess the solution is to use QS for mapping and QuakeC and to encourage as many others to do the same as possible.
As I said, I am not seeing any mods or maps that use the fancy CSQC and particles aside from AD. Yes, people are tinkering, but as grandma used to say: "Where's the beef?"
The first of these ports to include the new lighting and md5 support from Quake Ex will be tough to beat though. Looking forward to that new wrinkle.
Quakespasm 0.94.1 Released
#3773 posted by szo on 2021/09/05 20:20:44
Version 0.94.1 of QuakeSpasm is released.
Downloads:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/quakespasm/files/
http://quakespasm.sourceforge.net/download.htm
Changes since the previous version:
- Fixes lightmap issues introduced in v0.94.0 (sf.net bug/50)
@dumptruck_ds
#3774 posted by Tribal on 2021/09/07 05:51:19
QSS supports MD5 now
https://triptohell.info/moodles/qss/
Spike said on discord about the new release: "fixed up iqm support, added md5 support, merged QS's various changes are the main tweaks... oh, and added an 'extras' menu"
Cool
But is there a changelog somewhere or more info?
No, it's QSS. :P
Downloading.
It Appears
QSS now supports external .vis files as well. Outstanding.
But Corrupted Custom Mod Conchars Unfortunetly
#3777 posted by CV on 2021/09/07 10:19:02
There is decision to store /localisation/ in mg1 folder?
OUM:
[img]https://quaketastic.com/files/screen_shots/loc.jpg[/img]
I solve it by removing custom font, but?..
To Get DOTM (more Or Less) Fully Working
- Copy over the "mg1" folder from your Steam installation (default dir: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Quake\rerelease) into your QSS dir
- Open "QuakeEX.kpf" with 7-Zip (or another zip manager of your choice) and extract the "localization" folder into the "mg1" folder in your QSS dir
- Start the game with parameter -game mg1
#3779 posted by mh on 2021/09/07 10:34:29
/localization/ should be stored off the Quake basedir - e.g. C:\Quake or whatever - rather than in any game dir. The localization text file contains localized strings for all mods in a single file.
Ideally that wouldn't have been the case, and each mod would have had it's own strings that are merged at startup time. This, and other evidence (*another* crusty plain text format to parse, yayy) indicates that the localization system was pre-existing stuff in the Kex engine rather than something specifically written for Quake.
Nope, It Is Not Help!
#3780 posted by CV on 2021/09/07 11:58:05
Removed QuakeEX.kpf from quake dir completely. But in AD the same thing: font lose translucentness.
https://quaketastic.com/files/screen_shots/ad_font.jpg
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