Func_Detail
#326 posted by Qmaster on 2016/08/14 00:54:00
Pros: Doesn't block vis
Doesn't add leafs
Doesn't add to vis compile time
Cons: Doesn't block vis
Doesn't seal map
Adds to max visible leafs during play
Func_Detail Part 2
#327 posted by Qmaster on 2016/08/14 01:00:00
Use of these is for the mapper only. When faced with a 4 day compile time even with 8 cores, one tends to want to use them for everything. Treat the vis like minecraft. Any angled brushes get turned into details.
Rick, Qmaster
#328 posted by Kinn on 2016/08/14 01:13:59
Yes obviously they can't be used to seal the map but the whole thing about not having detail brushes extending (through a structural brush) into the void is a murkier area, and I don't think I've ever seen a clear discussion of whether or not this actually causes issues and why...
Build your entire map inside a 8192x8192x8192 box and make all your other geometry into a func_detail. It's cruise control for awesome.
#330 posted by skacky on 2016/08/14 01:56:20
Just to give an idea how func_detail work, I've provided a few screenshots from my jam5 map with func_detail filtered on and off. The remaining brushes when they're filtered off are worldspawn brushes (save for the odd func_illusionary).
http://i.imgur.com/zhtFg9Y.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MPNjY2M.jpg
Finally...
#331 posted by Qmaster on 2016/08/14 03:48:32
Got it to compile with full vis. Woop...only 11 minutes this time. I found that one particularly egregious 384 brush tetrahedron soup group was not actually a func_detail as it should be. Oops. That wiped out over 1000 leafs and 10mb of final bsp file size. Now the bsp is only 21mb. (ha yes only!) Just need to finish the lighting and enemy placement and a few areas now.
Ugly full brights (need to light):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20160676/quake/engine1/keep20160813204338-00.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20160676/quake/engine1/keep20160813204414-00.jpg
Nicer half lit areas (need to light slightly more):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20160676/quake/engine1/keep20160813204455-00.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20160676/quake/engine1/keep20160813204538-00.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20160676/quake/engine1/keep20160813204655-00.jpg
Yes, sprite based foliage...in a greenhouse...in a cave.
Qmaster
#332 posted by NewHouse on 2016/08/14 08:05:53
Looking really nice, btw how did you managed to make that glass? Could you demonstrated it in a practice, not just logical theory bullshit which doesn't tell me anything.
I have tried that two times now, I always receive annoying z-fighting in the surface. So I need to use glass* texture for brush, is that brush also func_wall or not? What then? Clip brush over it, right? What then, is that all what is really needed?
#333 posted by NewHouse on 2016/08/14 08:14:58
Could someone demonstrate it to stupid noob like me.
NewGlass
#334 posted by mjb on 2016/08/14 08:39:00
There are instructions with the mapjam7 bundle by Than.
But okay:
1) Grab the apsp2 wad from the jam bundle
2) Create a brush for your glass (Simple square)
3) Set the *glass texture from the wad for the square brush
4) Make it a func_wall
5) add an alpha key with value of 0.35 or 0.50 or however transparent you want your glass to be.
That's your basic glass. If you want colored ones, then you use a different solid color.
#335 posted by NewHouse on 2016/08/14 09:01:25
So only thing this time was, I didn't remember simply just try to set up those alpha values, even though I made earlier glass using different texture (not *glass), putting func_wall and alpha.. reason why I get carried away, mind have been that I mentioned it here and didn't get reply for that and then I just forget.
Thank you for making it clear to me again. That time I was also messing around with skip textures which might be the reason why I received that z-fighting. I really don't want to talk about window-test.map, because I'm sure I already get it wrong, but that's just me.
Now that I have making choices in areas how to replace windows, because at time it felt like I will never make them work on time, but now it seems like utterly easy to do - I need to start re-thinking some areas.
#336 posted by NewHouse on 2016/08/14 09:02:12
might have been*
Glass Is Interesting
#337 posted by NewHouse on 2016/08/14 09:33:51
is the glass supposed to look like this, or does not glass care about about lights at all?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwxYkKdSD855SlBrLVI0bzJLRWs/view?usp=sharing
Glass Solid Color?
#338 posted by NewHouse on 2016/08/14 09:38:25
Is it possible to give func_wall key "_color", and use that the same way as in lights which chooses the color of light.. is there solid_color key even?
#339 posted by dwere on 2016/08/14 09:58:07
This kind of glass is merely a trick. It's made of liquid, essentially. Liquids can't be lit in most engines.
That's why the texture is solid - so you don't see it warp.
Five Days Left
#340 posted by ionous on 2016/08/14 17:24:46
The end draws near. Who's in? Who's out? I'll be finishing up the start map in a few days, so I'd like to know how many level entrances I need to make.
Some things to note:
Make sure that your map exits to 'jam7_start'.
Send completed maps over to 'voice DOT of DOT the DOT nephilim AT gmail DOT com' when complete.
#341 posted by skacky on 2016/08/14 17:39:58
I'm not sure I'll make the deadline, to be honest. I took a break when the deadline got extended but I kind of lost my mojo in the process, so to speak.
I Am In
#342 posted by mjb on 2016/08/14 18:17:52
Always wanted to be a part of a jam and I will make the deadline.
Definitely a new experience to do this much mapping at this rate with life never slowing down but I will finish!
Count Bloughsburgh in!
Count Bloughsburgh
#343 posted by dwere on 2016/08/14 18:33:51
Sounds like a title.
Absolutely
#344 posted by NewHouse on 2016/08/14 18:40:50
If I can't reach all of my goals I simple just lower my goals so I can make at least decent map. For example I have no time to make higher floor at all, even though I will leave the elevator - I just fill with couple boxes and set some dramatic red flickering lights there.
But anyway, I'm in ~ count NewHouse in!
BTW I haven't done start map ever, is it easy to do? I really wouldn't like to spend much time on that.
Not Very Sure If I Can Finish My Map In Time...
#345 posted by Breezeep_ on 2016/08/14 19:00:40
I haven't done much work on my map this past week.
#343
#346 posted by mjb on 2016/08/14 19:24:27
Hmm,
Now I want to go play Castlevania.
#346
#347 posted by NewHouse on 2016/08/14 20:26:14
Remember, only on your break*
WIP
#348 posted by mjb on 2016/08/14 23:54:59
Feeling bad I never had anything to show so here is one picture from in game. Lighting is off from the screenshot and ignore the trigger brush that isn't set as a trigger yet!
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/Jam7/mjb_jam7pic.jpg
Brushwork - 90%
Lighting - 80%
Entities - 10%
Logic/Gameplay - 40%
I Will Have Something Too!
#349 posted by khreathor on 2016/08/15 00:55:27
Maybe it won't be 100% what I wanted, but still I'll have something ;)
Deadline is 18th 23:59? or 0:00? and what time zone?
Time Zone*
#350 posted by NewHouse on 2016/08/15 01:14:15
I live in Finland, and for me it's now monday 1:13AM when is my deadline? At least I want to keep my sleeping rhythm normal.
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