What Do You Mean By Simple?
#3304 posted by DaZ on 2016/03/04 14:39:18
A simple layout? Simple geometry? Simple to learn as a player? You will have to be more specific :)
I list Aerowalk because it's considered by the overwhelming majority of Quake players to be "the best" duel map created. If you're going to learn from something, learn from the best!
Then look at some of the worst dm maps, and work out why they are the worst, so you can avoid those mistakes :)
#3305 posted by Kinn on 2016/03/04 15:00:45
"Simple" in the way that I think you mean it, is a fallacy. You should take the best maps, and then abstract them yourself into "simple" maps that you can understand.
E.g. take Aerowalk and ignore what's unimportant right now (brush detailing, texturing etc) and focus on what is important - i.e. layout and item positioning.
SpecialBomb
#3306 posted by mjb on 2016/03/04 15:13:35
That's great you want to make some map design tutorials. I agree, in terms of things like youtube video tutorials and such, they are a bit lacking. You can dig archives and piece things together (How I did it). but it would be nice to have some more current easy to reach material.
I have been heavily considering making some basic Trenchbroom editor tutorials so people interested in mapping may not feel so intimated at first glance.
DaZ: What I Mean By "Simple."
#3307 posted by SpecialBomb on 2016/03/04 15:19:03
What I could describe as simple is this: Imagine that the map I want to achieve in finding is fun and balanced. Now imagine being an absolute map creator noob like me; could you easily recreate this map, and easily understand what each part does to balance everything else out? That's what I mean by simple. To show you my current skill, download this map I made:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/nam3zj2wzhgkcs0/vertig2.bsp
Bloughsburgh
#3308 posted by SpecialBomb on 2016/03/04 15:22:02
Yeah, that's another reason why I want to do that. It would be modern and user friendly, but I wasn't thinking about a video, but rather a document with diagrams and commentary.
Err...
#3309 posted by adib on 2016/03/04 17:08:38
Guys, don't mean to patronize, but doesn't it belong in Mapping Help thread instead of here?
DM Design Tips
#3310 posted by Mike Woodham on 2016/03/04 17:13:37
I just Googled "what makes a good deathmatch map" and got about '6,643,000' hits. The first five all had short articles on layout, placement and flow ( I did not go further).
But if you play DM, surely you must know what you like and what you do not like. Don't design-in elements that you do not like to see in a DM level. And don't expect to ride your bike no-handed until you have learned to keep the pedals turning.
And don't worry, I couldn't create a DM level to save my life - I haven't got a clue, hence Google.
Inspiration And Reference
#3311 posted by mjb on 2016/03/04 17:22:06
In the end, I made a map. But, it's not very good. So, if someone could reference me some basic but good quake DM maps
Looking for reference dm maps and possibly gaining inspiration from them? I don't know :P
Bloughsburgh
#3312 posted by SpecialBomb on 2016/03/04 17:35:44
Yeah, that's it. I may not get the lingo for "reference" though, because from what I'm seeing, I'm using it wrong. And, yes, I want to gain inspiration and experience from these maps.
#3313 posted by Joel B on 2016/03/05 01:25:03
Yeah most good DM maps should be fun/useful to study... the best ones are not real complicated in any case. aerowalk and ztndm3 have been copied to so many games that there must be something to them. :-)
It could also be interesting to go off the beaten path a bit, with maps that may not be the current flavor of the moment but were and are considered as good DM maps. Including those that are more FFA-flavored, as opposed to duel maps only. I mean there are so MANY good Quake DM maps out there that you might as well do something a little interesting/quirky. (ultrav comes to mind, alk08dm, trimp...) Still way too many to mention, if I really got going.
To come back to the original question though, it's neat to try to think about what the _simplest_ good DM maps are. Hmm. Maybe stuff like pkeg1 by Mr. Fribbles, or edc and aggressr by Tyrann. I'm tempted to take a walk through a lot of the "small" and "tiny" maps listed on Prominence to see if anything else jogs my memory. Bonus points if they can get the job done with minimal or no teleporters.
For Nerkle
#3314 posted by Spirit on 2016/03/08 16:28:31
New Monster
Warcraft Movie -
#3317 posted by anonymous user on 2016/03/11 20:15:39
Dark Souls locations in real life: https://youtu.be/LEnCz6goaB0
Wow
#3318 posted by mjb on 2016/03/11 21:16:47
That is just awesome.
Best Cosplay Ever!
#3319 posted by khreathor on 2016/03/12 03:50:03
SW
Mosaic Art
#3322 posted by anonymous user on 2016/03/17 04:31:46
Zdzislaw Beksinski - Artist
#3323 posted by anonymous user on 2016/03/17 09:02:47
I Need Help
#3324 posted by SpecialBomb on 2016/03/17 16:03:19
I'm addicted to CS:GO.
How do I stop?
It's seriously affecting my family.
Well
#3325 posted by mfx on 2016/03/17 22:28:09
This is not the place for you then. Easy as that.
#3323
#3326 posted by khreathor on 2016/03/18 15:52:35
Shame he was murdered...
#3327 posted by Joel B on 2016/03/18 17:14:29
func_msgboard is the place for eeeeveryone! It's one big happy family. With lots of "weird uncles".
#3328 posted by Rick on 2016/03/18 18:26:18
I was addicted to Everquest for a long time. It started when I picked up a copy of Ruins of Kunark from a cardboard display near the checkouts in a CompUSA.
I played for almost 6 years, was paying for two accounts and multiple characters at the level cap. Being in a big guild and having to go on long drawn out raids finally turned it into more of a second job than a game.
One day I decided to just stop playing. I took my main character and my favorite alt to a little hill near the library in Plane of Knowledge, sat down a logged out. Never went back.
A year or so later I started playing LotRO, but eventually I realized what a ridiculous waste of time mmorpg games really are and quit that game also. I haven't played anything but single player games in over five years.
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