#3127 posted by R00k on 2017/11/21 20:18:25
i can upload the **actual** config later tonight if you need
R00k
#3128 posted by ericw on 2017/11/21 22:05:30
thanks. No luck so far, I tried loading that config and doing a "timedemo demo2" followed by "q", tab.
Could be it needs the combination of config.cfg + autoexec.cfg to reproduce
#3129 posted by R00k on 2017/11/22 00:12:25
ok when i get home i can upload the configs
i can even make a video im using the win64 build also
if that makes a difference.
i know its not a big issue but if your like
me i hate when something breaks without knowing why ;)
:(
#3130 posted by PRITCHARD on 2017/11/22 05:04:54
Shame about having to use the Launch Engine feature, since it's many more clicks than just Run Tool... I might just deal with the mouse snapping unless this is never going to be fixed, since I usually just jump into the game to check lighting and entity placement anyway...
Perhaps in the future a Launch Engine operation can be added for the Run Tool recipes...
#3131 posted by R00k on 2017/11/22 05:59:41
@pritchard roll back to a version that works?
@ericw quakeone.com/qrack/dev/ config.cfg and autoexec.cfg yet i tried on my laptop winXP no crash so please dont lose sleep over this. :)
@rook
#3132 posted by PRITCHARD on 2017/11/22 06:49:03
if you know how to roll back a Windows 10 update, please let me know :P
I decided to open an issue on the TB2 github, but I'm doing it as a feature request for making an engine launch part of the compilation process options as I get the feeling that running it as a "tool" is not ever going to be properly supported.
@pritchard
Necros' compiling GUI requires no clicks.
Leave GUI running in BG
Save map.
Alt+Tab to GUI
Ctrl+C to compile.
https://imgur.com/YgIacZt
If you dive in, it's quite powerful:
https://shoresofnis.wordpress.com/utilities/ne_q1spcompilinggui/
Lel
#3134 posted by brassbite on 2017/11/22 12:11:43
Do r_scale 4, then gl_texturemode 6. Enjoy your bleeding eyes!
What do I do, so the pixels don't dance around on the further away objects, when using texturemode 1 and r_scale 2,3 or 4?
#3135 posted by mh on 2017/11/22 12:20:11
What do I do, so the pixels don't dance around on the further away objects, when using texturemode 1 and r_scale 2,3 or 4?
gl_texturemode 1 is the equivalent of GL_NEAREST, which disables mipmapping and which therefore causes the pixel dance. You can't do anything because you asked for mipmapping to be disabled, and you got what you asked for.
You can try setting it to 2 or 3 instead.
#3136 posted by brassbite on 2017/11/22 13:10:10
My problem is that mipmapping makes everything washed out. This is probably the obvious reason for usinge MORE pixels instead of less🙃 Duh, then Winquake look might not be my favorite...
#3137 posted by mh on 2017/11/22 13:52:59
WinQuake used mipmapping too.
And Again I Am Totally Mistaken...
#3138 posted by brassbite on 2017/11/22 16:48:49
I Should Be More Specific...
#3139 posted by mh on 2017/11/22 16:56:06
Win/Software Quake used mipmaps on world/brush surfaces; it didn't on water or MDLs. Typically Fitz/QS replicates this behaviour.
Mipmapping was specifically coupled to the lighting/surface-cache engine and 4 miplevels were stored for each texture.
There's more discussion of all of this in chapter 68 of Mike Abrash's Graphics Programming Black Book: http://www.jagregory.com/abrash-black-book/#chapter-68-quakes-lighting-model
And software Quake's mipmap code is here: https://github.com/id-Software/Quake/blob/master/WinQuake/r_surf.c
#3140 posted by Spike on 2017/11/22 17:55:03
winquake's mipmapping was based purely upon the distance (and texinfo+screensize+d_mipcap).
on the other hand, opengl decides which mipmap to use based upon the rate of change of the texcoords - or in other words surfaces that slope away from the view are considered more 'distant' and thus get significantly worse mipmaps.
you can work around that with anisotropic filtering, but that requires trilinear filtering in order to be well-defined (some drivers just bug out, some force it, some ignore it).
This is a significant issue in FTE's software-esque rendering, and for now FTE uses only 3 mip levels to avoid the worst of it.
note that the original/sw mipmaps retain their proper palette instead of being a blury mess, but this means that sloped surfaces like the side of health boxes just end up with about 4 random pixels or whatever.
there's a few ways to work around this with recent glsl versions, but I've not tried to so so yet.
tldr:
glquake and winquake have _very_ different mipmapping rules, and glquake just looks blury in about every way possible...
#3141 posted by R00k on 2017/11/22 17:57:04
i prefer GL_NEAREST and gl_texture_anisotropy 8
that way it still looks pixely but less glitter at the distance.
#3142 posted by R00k on 2017/11/22 17:59:03
doh! spike just said that while i was typing :O
Also Worth Adding...
#3143 posted by mh on 2017/11/22 18:29:07
...that in hardware accelerated versions of Quake, mipmap level selection is not normally something that the programmer has control over; this is done by fixed function components in the graphics hardware.
@ericw Video Is Blurry Sorry
#3144 posted by R00k on 2017/11/22 18:33:54
#3145 posted by R00k on 2017/11/22 18:37:46
basically the video shows
game custom
timedemo demo2
host error: progs/player.mdl not found
q{tab}
crash
reload
game custom
exec config.cfg
timedemo demo2
host error: progs/player.mdl not found
game id1
crash
#3146 posted by R00k on 2017/11/22 19:12:51
weird my other machine doesnt do it :/
Ah Good.
#3147 posted by ericw on 2017/11/22 19:56:48
I reproduced the crash here on windows with the 32 bit QS build, so it's indeed just those 2 config files that are doing it. thanks, will investigate.
#3148 posted by ericw on 2017/11/22 20:08:53
...that in hardware accelerated versions of Quake, mipmap level selection is not normally something that the programmer has control over; this is done by fixed function components in the graphics hardware.
Looks like it was first exposed to the programmer with textureLod in GLSL 1.30 / OpenGL 3?
https://www.khronos.org/registry/OpenGL-Refpages/gl4/html/textureLod.xhtml
#3149 posted by mh on 2017/11/22 20:42:26
You could probably brute-force it on older hardware by storing each miplevel as a separate texture. Performance would be horrible though.
Speaking Of Texture Aliasing
#3150 posted by iriyap on 2017/11/29 18:59:54
Supersampling makes unfiltered textures look gorgeous and not flicker at all. Consider adding such an option.
https://imgur.com/a/jumoZ
Supersampling
#3151 posted by mh on 2017/11/29 19:03:07
Up close or far away?
The thing about far way textures sparking is that it's basic mathematics. You have one pixel on the screen, and when the texture is sampled - either via nearest or linear, doesn't matter which - you're sampling more texels than will fit in that one pixel. Then when the scene shifts a little (like with regular Quake idle movement, or water warping, or whatever) the texels being sampled jump around.
This is basic sampling theory stuff; it shouldn't be necessary to explain it, it's been mathematically proven for donkey's years.
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