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afaik, milkshape should accept
How exactly do you get the animation from milkshape into the I exported a frame from qme (lwo seems to be best for this), made a skeleton, and silly test animation in milkshape. I export from milkshape into md2. I load the new md2 in qme. I export the frames of the new animation (to lwo/dxf/hrc, whatever). I open enforcer.mdl and import the frames but the mesh is messed up. See: http://s94249274.onlinehome.us/example.jpg Note- that is a view from the front (!). I *think* this could be avoided if there was, god forbid, some documentation on compiling to quake Eh? judging by past experience with the same problem and the name or the frame, i'm guessing you mirrored the whole model along the x axis? this screws up the order in which the tris are stored or something like that, so they are all flipped around. have you tried doing animations or a frame without flipping the model? did that get screwed up? (it shouldn't). afaik (and that's not that much) redoing the animation from scratch is the only way to get it working, so you'll have to reanimate the firing frames for the other side...
if anyone else knows better, please speak up, cause i hate to have only bad news. :\ It's actually a fairly simple fix to get all the triangles facing the correct direction. Convert the model into a single object, then go to the object transformations. Set the scope to the whole scene. Set the scale on the x axis of the object to -1, and it should now work. Then you can reconstruct objects or reset the pivot if you need to do anything else with the model in qme(although hopefully you shouldn't need to)
I've played yesterday night SM40 contest maps, and I would like to reproduce the "foggy" effects I found into Mike's FMB_SM40 map. So Mike please, could you explain how do you achieve such this kind of effects ???
Fog... glad you liked it. First, take some dry-ice (but be careful as its surface temperature is something like -78c) and drop it into a bucket of water.
Alternatively, a simpler way is to use the _fog entry in the Worldspawn for your map. I used _fog 0.05 for Fmb-sm40, which gives a fairly good effect. Unfortunately, this is only good for FitzQuake as other engines seem to produce fog in a different way. For example, DarkPlaces seems to just darken everything and this was not the effect I wanted. In FitzQuake you can also enter fog as a command at the console (for any map) so if you load Fmb_sm40 you can adjust the fog before your very eyes. For anyone who has seen real fog, you would know that it enhances light and gives an almost glowing effect without necessarily making things darker. It does obviously cut down viewing distance and just for fun I tried it with The Marcher Fortress. It completely ruined the outside areas - the skybox is too far away and became invisible and the skybox was one of the things that made the outside areas look so good. So, use it carefully and I would recommend understatement rather than the opposite. Hope that helps. you should actually do four numbers for fog in the worldspawn -- density, red, green, and blue, where all 4 numbers should be between 0.0 and 1.0. I think the reason you had problems between fitzquake and darkplaces is that they handle the incorrect worldspawn differently.
Also, you should be able to do "fog" instead of "_fog", though i don't know if this is true for all engines and whatnot. example: "fog" "0.1 0.3 0.3 0.3" the skybox is too far away and became invisible
I can't speak for DP, but in FQ ( and anywhere else I've seen fog ) the skybox is removed entirely, because the volumetric effect would break the illusion skyboxes are supposed to create and....you wouldn't be able to see the sky if it was foggy anyway :P I already known the fog console command, but I never tried it as a worldspwan field (BTW, I didn't know that it was possible, so that's why my question is...), so thank you very much for these great information !!
As well, I've already noticed that with fog you wouldn't be able to see the sky anymore.... anyway, the effect should be particularly dreadful into a cemetery for example.... Thanks again for this cool "ambiance effect related" information... In the original Nehahra engines, my upcoming NehQuake 3.01 and GLQ 1.26, you can have both visible skybox and fog. Not every combination is possible, but in most maps it works and can have a stunning effect.
Marcher is not well suited for fog because of the skybox size, rich colours and scenery. The FitzQuake ReadMe gave the syntax as either/or.
If you use all four numbers with Darkplaces, I now know that it works as intended in Fmb_sm40 One lives and learns. I you can see the sky: it rain, if you cannot see the sky: there's fog
here's what *seems* to work:
- export frame from qme (as lwo) - import - rig and animate in milkshape. this is weird because you're animating with the model mirrored (enforcer becomes left handed, for example, i didnt notice this until necros pointed it out). - export as quake2 - load - export new animation frames (again, using lwo) - load existing model (enforcer.mdl in my case) in qme - import previously-exported frames. - for the new scene/frames, you have to scale bye -1 in x-axis, and also rotate -90 degrees on z axis. - now a new animation is working and actually has the same mesh & skin as the existing id model. Subject to change of course. Dxf is a horrible format and milkshape needs way better documentation. that is a lot of steps.
usually, what i do is: -export a frame from qme -import into 3ds -rig, animate (and yes, i noticed the reversal too... not sure what causes that though.) export each frame to dxf files (i don't mind them) -import them into the model. can you not export frames in milkshape directly to dxf or lwo or whatever? it seems a lot of extra steps saving as md2 and all that... also, preach, thanks for the info about resetting the faces. i never ran into exactly the same problem myself as it was under different circumstances that the faces got reversed. :) can you not export frames in milkshape directly to dxf or lwo or whatever? it seems a lot of extra steps saving as md2 and all that...
Remember when i said it sounds more difficult than it should be? :| If theres a way to export individual frames, I don't know it. I went through each frame, while in animation mode, and exported, but it only exported the first frame each time. Sigh. Also for the record, I just tried rotating/mirroring the mesh in milkshape after the initial import, just to be able to animate non-mirrored and on the right axis as what it will eventually be, and that created a huge ungodly mess. I'll stick with what works for me at the moment, its only a few small animations I want to do anyways. (and yes, i noticed the reversal too... not sure what causes that though.) Probably the discrepancy between file formats and how they store data. Whew! it seems like it would be easier to export all of the frames from milkshape into one folder, create a
http://www.gamers.org/pub/idgames2/utils/graphics_edit/id_utils/util3d.zip Except you forgot the part where I said you can't export individual frames from milkshape. Hence exporting to md2. Thanks though 8-)
you're reading the syntax for the fog console command. That's not the same as the syntax for the fog worldspawn value. I guess i never explained how to do it in the worldspawn becuase i thought i was supporting an existing standard. But maybe not... sorry.
There's an option in qme preferences, under the import/export tab, called mirror x. Try toggling that on or off. It may not be helpful, as it'll happen on both the import and export, and two reflections will cancel out, and turning it on/off in between import and export is an extra step, which is as much work as mirroring the model. But it might be handy for the milkshape stage, as the model won't be left handed.
Also, in case you're importing/exporting all the frames in a scene individually, use the export scene from the menu, and shift select all the frames in the import dialogue. But yeah, anything you're gonna do for models in quake is gonna need a fair few steps since three is no single good modelling tool with mdl support. Cool preach, will try that maybe.
By the by, I did manage to just figure out how to export directly to http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jmichl/files/tutorials/mdl.qc BUT, for some reason when I do this, milkshape for whatever reason removes 4 tris from the enforcer mesh, meaning the new exported model frames can't be merged with the existing Oh well, back to animating :) has anyone ever seen this error?
CALL1 512(precache_sound2)precache_sound2() shalrath.qc : monster_shalrath (NO FUNCTION) Pf_precache_sound: overflow Host_Error: Program Error the vore/shalrath has no modified code. if i remove the shalrath/vore then it happens with another monster. does this mean the map uses too many sounds to be precached or something?
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