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i mean, it's not hard to understand what the guy is asking. The weapon resets from a muzzleflash frame back to an idle frame, and the reset takes several frames.
if you look at the quakec, probably weapons.qc, you can see how the frames are sequenced. Aside from those frames, you might also be seeing interpolation if you use an engine with that feature enabled. As discussed, the frames I am looking for do not appear in the animation via QME. Searching for the rocket animation in QME will also show a similar animation of fire appearing at the end of the weapon and the weapon recoiling. It does not show you the animation reloading the rocket or moving it back into position. Clearly, these frames occur. Specifically, immediately following the firing rocket animation, and preceding the firing position for the next rocket. These are the frames i am looking for.
Yes, is it hard to understand exactly what the issue is here.
He is talking about some frames which he claims can not be seen in QME. it is these frames that do not appear in QME From his desription, it really does sound like he's looking for what we'd call "reload" or "cock" frames. Even though you say this is standard quake, I am 100% convinced you are talking about non-standard weapon models, NOT the weapon models in original quake, ESPECIALLY when you say:
It does not show you the animation reloading the rocket You are describing models from a mod. Which mod is it? It ain't standard quake. It sounds like you are viewing in QME the standard quake models, which is why you are not seeing the special frames from the non-standard weapon models. Metlslime attached a jpeg that showed a q1 shotgun in a position that is not described in your screengrab of QME.
When you, yes you, personally, fire a rocket in quake, using a standard engine. What happens between you firing the rocket, and you being ready to fire another rocket? Would you describe that as a reloading animation? If you don't know the answer, that's fine, but can you be less smug about it, it's intimidating enough without you swinging your ego around? thanks I have a couple of questions in order to get to the bottom of this problem.
What was the source of your version of quake? Was it Steam, GOG, CD, floppy disk? What is the command line you're using to run quake? What files are in your ID1 directory? It's a standard NQ engine with a few extra bits, no interpolating - I am looking for those reset frames. It's in the animation macros but they're a little dense and i can't find links to tutorials that aren't dead. It isn't as simple as it looks! thanks.
If you don't know the answer, that's fine, but can you be less smug about it, it's intimidating enough without you swinging your ego around?
thanks Now you're just being silly. I think there's someone here who hasn't got a clue what's going on, but it ain't me. I know quake like the back of my hand. You are NOT describing weapon models that came from the original quake, not matter how many time you say you are, you are NOT. You are describing weaponmodels that are coming off some 3rd-party mod. You are viewing the WRONG models in QME. That is why you are not seeing the right frames! Just tell us what mod you are using!!!!!!! This is something I've seen across my entire experience of playing quake1 - it's not the source at issue. But TO nrest your mind everything is standard NQ, except for some networking wii end controller stuff and gx rendering.
In short, qme will display the firing animation, showing the flash and recoil of the weapon. However, further to this, between one shot and another, there is a sequence of frames not shown with the firing animation in qme, typically showing the rocket or shotgun in perpendicular angles as you realod it and return to firing position. it is these frames that I am looking for. It's time for videocap. Can you get something like fraps and show us a few seconds of your animation?
Please, I'm really intrigued Here is a video showing all quake weapons. They don't have reload or cock animation, they just go back a little to represent that a bullet/rocket has left the barrel. And you can see all these frames are is QME:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCQoNIL2a08 No mod, i am editing the qc of a 1.06 progs.dat
Compare the animation in QME to your experience firing a shotgun in game Compare the animation in QME to your experience firing a shotgun in game
I do and it's utterly, completely identical, frame-for-frame, just like the video Tribal posted above. If you're experience does not match Tribal's video, then you've got your hands on some alternative weapon models from a mod, and you need to be viewing those in QME, not the standard weapon models which you are clearly viewing, in error. unless you're not looking at the correct mdl file, then all frames really are there in QME.
Sometimes the quakec uses frames out of order or re-uses them two places in a sequence, so following the frame macros might the way to understand this. Frame macros are defined in order to match the frames in the mdl file. If the firing animation uses them in a different order than they were defined, that could explain why you don't see the same sequence in QME. sadly, no. For various reasons like having a kid last year, I have basically no mapping time anymore.
I fucked up. I am sorry. I was a bit intimidated, no excuse. I apologise to Kinn specifically, and to you all for wasting your time. Fuck
Glad you worked it out. +1 for apologizing it takes guts (not many people do it around here.)
BUT.... What mod/game was it???????? hey props to you for admitting your mistake and apologising, a lot of people would just nope the fuck out...
We're a grumpy old bunch, but we do try to help, if you have questions about things that we can actually help with then most of us here are up for it =P
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