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I'm Not An Artist Or Modeler 
but the proportions seem a tad weird, the arms are almost as big as the legs? I can't pinpoint what could be made to correct it, sorry. :/ 
Thanks For The Input 
That was helpful. I kept seeing a problem there too, it is in the size of the arms. They should come down to mid thigh, but these were slightly longer than they should be, and slightly thicker as well.

Here is a corrected version.
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1132/playavetruvian23li.jpg

If you take a look at the familiar sketch, Vetruvian Man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitruvian_Man
which served as a rule of thumb for proportions for centuries and is still useful, I think you'll see my corrections are now matching up.

In a squared area devided into four equal parts, the nipple line comes to the first 1/4 ratio, the symphysis pubis (just above his weiner) is the mid point, and the midline in his knees hits the 3/4 mark. Also, the arms spread out to the ends of the squared area. This is where I made my correction; the fingertips could spread out far past the squared area before I evened them up.

Thanks again, Bambuz 
HT 
Good progress, I'm still pretty convinced your proportions are off though, his legs look too short, but I think the problem is actually that his crotch is much to low, making his legs short, and his torso much too big.
Also, your chest topology is friggin weird, what's up with those long triangles on the side, it's gonna look pretty strange when you start animating if he bends over and stuff, most of the time, simpler topology is always better (this is for hipoly stuff, but isn't so far off, but pelvis-lower torso are ok...
http://born-robotic.net/stuff/girl04.jpg it's not done though, plenty of silly errors in other places). 
I Thought The Crotch 
was too low aswell. Then I realised he probably isn't naked, so hopefully that'll look better skinned? 
Looks Awesome Bal 
where'd you learn to model like that? 
Uh... 
School (yeah, I guess that's cheating =).
Still much to learn though! (Unfortunatly, not much time to put most of the stuff I learn to personal use...) 
Bal 
It's obvious that you will use a few percents of the stuff you learnt at school (and also what you will learn if you still ahve to go to school..) in the "real" life (I mean life after school...)

In anyway, I really would like to see the model with its skin: I guess it looks awesome :) 
Too Low Polycount On The Tits 
Unless those are underage tits...
�_� 
Czg 
You so mean. The polycount quadruples when I put my meshsmooth though!
JPL, I know this stuff will come in handy, just meant I wish I had more time to use now on personal projects. 
Bal 
BTW, are you still at school, and if yes, which school ? 
JPL 
Well yeah I'm still in school, it's some 3D Animation/Film school in Paris, part time (en contrat d'alternance), have like 1 week of classes a month, rest of the time I'm at work. 
OK 
It explains many things so ;)
Thanks for the infos ... 
Nice Boobies, 
Good organic model too.

The chest area protrusions, and shoulders and back as well, on my player model are armored seams.

On the sides, those long polies are just a holding place until I get to working it over with some extensions, 
Preach 
Is there any chance you could combine all your MDL posts into a few tutorials and post them at QExpo? I'd love to have all the information you've posted all in one spot and organized by topic. :) 
I Have To Add 
Damn fine, effecient, modeling on the alien chick. Not a wasted poly on the whole body. 
I Had A Feeling 
Did someone say underage boobies??? 
RPG 
Sure, I'll put 'em all together, and edit them nicely. Maybe even put together a proper full tutorial with pictures and stuff. It'll give purpose to the booth at least. 
Headthump 
Raise crotch, lengthen legs, shorten torso.

Lose at least half the polies in the feet.

His profile is off, with the forehead being very far back and the mouth sticking very far forward.

Lose the thin lip edge on the shoulder pads - if you're going to have shoulder pads that thin you can just communicate that edge in the texture. Otherwise, make it big and thick. Same goes for the bottom of the torso armor.

The neck should come more out of the front of the chest than poking out of the top like a chimney.

He needs an edge turning pass to fix the contours, especially the edges shared between the two big pairs of tris where the nipples would be, and the two at the top of the large pair of tris at the bottom of the armor.

All the detail in the head is going to turn into a huge mess in-game. Quake's probably not the engine to model nostrils and ears onto your characters - there were more reasons besides performance that the quake characters all have cubes for heads, like the integerization Preach described. 
Thanks Lun, 
that's a quite a check list, and it should keep me busy. I'm wondering if in the neck as shown in #3047 the contours are the reverse of what they should be. I built the neck by extending from the clavicle area, but if it looks chimney pipe like in the shots, I likely goofed it.

I'll decimate the models down to lower polies if in game test show them to be unworkable. At about 1200 faces each, the ghoul and v-weapon flachette came out okay (no substantial animation on the ghoul, the flachette though worked well as a complete replacement for the double barrel SG). 
Reference 
Always go by existing models in a game when modelling for it. Quake guys have blocks for hands and feet too. I mean, look at shamblers - they walk around on tree stumps.

When someone is standing up perfectly straight their spine will still have an S curve to it. Your neck will tilt forward a good twenty degrees at the shoulder line and curve up into the back of the skull. From a side perspective, the nape of the neck is roughly centered on the peaks of the shoulders. 
Thanks For The Clarification 
I see that now. The nape, instead of being an indented curve as it should be is just a straight slanted slope on my model. It also makes the shoulders look hunched, rounded and weak. No player would want to be that guy no matter how unsavory I make his character!

I remember my sixth grade art instructor yelling at me about making smoke pipe necks, and I thought she had scared them out of me. Glad she isn't around to see that neck. 
Attack Of The Bluemen 
To test out concerns that the relatively highpoly player model may be problematic in the Quake engine, I did a rudimentory walk cycle, flailed the arms around a bit, and had him revolve in a circle for the standing frames. I then replaced the soldier model to get him in game. Here is a screenie -

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/926/atmos0000054xq.jpg

Tested with DarkPlaces, there were no problems; AquiRe's revision of the NehQuake engine is the target engine for the mod and the model should work fine there as well.

I've also taken a number of suggestions -- I've pulled the face back into the head and reworked the neck and armor and made the shoulder/arm connection deformable. I still need to add edge loops and structure to the knees.

This is a picture of the wasp

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/4373/waspscreen7bj.jpg

-- an insectoid with a mounted nail gun and lizard head. Though, the lizard skull makes him look more like a dragon, at least without a skin on him. I've fully animated him and have him working nicely in game. I just need to skin him, and change a few things in the QuakeC. 
The Wasp Looks Interesting 
but I hope it's not too small and buzzy, otherwise it might suffer from Daikatana syndrome! 
Good One 
We should be thankful to Romano for discovering so very many things not to do in a video game title. A true pioneer. I'll never forget the first time I got my ass kicked by a mosquito in DKT, yelling out, 'THAT just did NOT happen!'

Wasp is a little smaller than the drone in Operation Urth Magic. I want him to spawn from niches and crannies. I thought that was a really effective attack when implemented in Doom3 with the ticks.

After I finish the sound (working on it tonight), gibs, and skin, I'll upload him to the Inside3d repository for anyone to use in their mods. 
Romero , Not Brad Garret;s Brother! 
 
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