#3005 posted by ericw on 2017/10/20 21:40:23
for arcanum5, I think you missed an install step; you need to install arcanum on top of drake. The monsters at the start should be spiders, not tarbabies.
In shrak, I see the blue checkerboard on the gibs. It's a feature inherited from fitzquake, I guess the intention was for modders to notice invalid mdl skins.
It looks like MarkV is displaying skin 0 instead of the checkerboard for compatibility with mods like shrak that set invalid skins.
@ericw
#3006 posted by iriyap on 2017/10/20 21:58:27
Oh man, totally missed that part about installing Drake. Guess I got a bit careless when playtesting so many map packs. Still though, the tarbabies don't get the checkerboard pattern in the other engines.
I suppose you could change it to display skin 0 when developer is set to 0, this way it would accommodate both players and modders. Backwards compatibility with old content is pretty important, especially in this decade that's so heavy on the 90's nostalgia.
Just my two cents, is all.
#3007 posted by iriyap on 2017/10/20 22:01:49
Oh, and one more thing. In vanilla GLQuake the gib skins in Shrak are completely white, while they show up just fine in WinQuake (and supposedly DOS Quake as well). It's definitely some old GLQuake quirk.
#3008 posted by metlslime on 2017/10/21 03:40:43
I was the one that at added the blue checkerboard feature. I didn't realize at the time how many mods relied on the behavior of vanilla quake to show skin 0 when the mod asks for an invalid skin. So I now agree, the engine should replicate vanilla quake's permissive behavior and maybe just put up a non-spamy console warning when the bad skin is first set.
#3009 posted by iriyap on 2017/10/21 04:53:24
Glad that I could help. Here's a couple more oddities that I've come across:
- r_wateralpha < 1 results in various see through glitches on non water VISed maps, like e.g. qte1m2 in Travail. Other engines seem to ignore r_wateralpha if the current map is not water VISed, I'd prefer such behavior.
- Console font sometimes has a thin underline/overline with some characters, no matter what value scr_conscale is set to.
- Water textures are not mipmapped and thus look pixelated at distance.
Other Oddities While On The Topic Of Missing Skins
#3010 posted by Qmaster on 2017/10/22 02:22:12
•Missing skin: console warning and checkered texture
•Missing sound: console warning
•Missing model: CRASH to desktop! You lose.
Couldn't this also just be a console warning and remove the entity?
#3011 posted by metlslime on 2017/10/22 07:27:39
well... we could play a checkerboard sound for missing sounds. Like a horn honking or something.
#3012 posted by Joel B on 2017/10/22 08:09:53
play the Wilhelm scream
Q3A Honk
C&C "Your Mission Is A Failure"
#3014 posted by Qmaster on 2017/10/22 15:02:53
Har har
Sliding Effect
#3015 posted by maiden on 2017/10/25 20:08:13
Is there a console command in QuakeSpasm similar to sv_gameplayfix_nogravityonground in Darkplaces? I'm experiencing something called the sliding effect on my setup; it's basically when the player slides forward a small distance before coming to a full stop. AFAIK it is how the Quake engine behaves on modern hardware so the issue persists with all ports faithful to vanilla Quake (FitzQuake, QS etc). My workaround is setting sv_stopspeed to 200 (def 100) but I wonder if that has any effect on player movement (jumping etc). Is there a workaround? Could it be input-related?
#3016 posted by Joel B on 2017/10/25 21:25:19
Isn't that just normal Quake physics momentum at work? Not sure I understand what you're describing.
#3017 posted by anonymous user on 2017/10/25 22:44:29
Not really because it looks like I'm walking on ice or some other low-friction surface rather than the ground. Moreover it reduces the precision of player control when navigating ledges, lifts etc. I don't see this when watching other people's demo runs.
Stopdrift
#3018 posted by Qmaster on 2017/10/25 23:45:51
That is a normal effect in FPSes. Stopping dead from a full out run is jarring and odd. Sv_stopspeed woukd be your best option for this. Try like 1000. This may affect, however, some wind tunnels by preventing them throwing you as far once you touch the ground, but this might be ok.
Stopdrift
#3019 posted by maiden on 2017/10/26 00:58:39
Yes sv_stopspeed is the workaround I'm using. It's not perfect but it gets me there. I tested a value of 9999 to see its effect exaggerated and oddly enough it results in almost 0 forward movement. Similar to setting sv_friction to a high number, except that here it's deceleration and shouldn't affect speed or acceleration, if I have my physics right.
@maiden
The physics in NetQuake and Quakeworld clients is different.
Quakespasm, Fitzquake, Mark V are considered NetQuake. Darkplaces, FTE and others are based on QW. I find QW clients very "swimmy" almost like what are describing. But not so with Quakespasm.
I'm wondering what version of QS are you using (SDL or SDL2) OR if perhaps a setting from another source port has carried over to your current config?
From the readme:
Quakespasm utilizes either the SDL or SDL2 frameworks, so choose
which one works best for you. SDL is probably less buggy, but SDL2
has nicer features and smoother mouse input - though no CD support.
I honestly don't know which one I am using because I switch between source ports quite often.
#3021 posted by ericw on 2017/10/26 01:41:57
I don't know what's going on to be honest..
AFAIK it is how the Quake engine behaves on modern hardware so the issue persists with all ports faithful to vanilla Quake (FitzQuake, QS etc).
The only thing I have heard of that is similar to this is the "multicore timing bug" that affected some Quake clients on Windows (including Fitzquake 0.85 I think?) that had to do with a specific timer API. AFAIK it never affected Quakespasm.
I'd suggest trying MarkV for comparison.
@dumptruck_ds
#3022 posted by maiden on 2017/10/26 01:42:50
I'm using SDL2. But I've had this for years and also on a previous system so it makes sense that it's just Quake physics as Johnny Law and Qmaster eluded to.
Also sv_gameplayfix_nogravityonground in Darkplaces seems unrelated to the issue, so that's that.
Been Playing DirectQ Again
#3023 posted by iriyap on 2017/10/26 03:16:29
The "lastweapon" command in DirectQ is really nice for quick grenades. Wish it could be added to Quakespasm. It's the same thing as in Half-Life, you can switch between any two weapons with one button.
@ericw
#3024 posted by maiden on 2017/10/26 03:54:08
Looks like it's not a bug or even QuakeSpasm-related, but rather a "feature" of the Quake engine. I'll deal with it.
@maiden
#3025 posted by mh on 2017/10/26 08:55:20
Just out of curiosity - are you running with maxfps > 72? Lots of physics problems manifest in this case, and setting it back to 72 is often the quickest and easiest fix.
#3026 posted by maiden on 2017/10/26 16:36:11
No, host_maxfps is unchanged at 72. I also have vsync enabled which caps my framerate at 60.
#3027 posted by ericw on 2017/10/26 18:02:49
Try disabling vsync. I get input lag with it too, and I think the implementation might be buggy
Vsync
#3028 posted by maiden on 2017/10/26 19:18:27
Disabling vsync didn't solve the stopdrift and I saw some image tearing with the video card getting ahead of the monitor. My solution is increasing sv_stopspeed to 300 (def=100). Looks like there's no adverse effect on player movement up to a setting of ~500. Thanks lads, appreciate the help.
Found Another Bug In Quakespasm
#3029 posted by iriyap on 2017/10/31 03:19:54
The hidden closet with the Shambler at the start of id1/e4m7 is visible through the sky brush.
https://i.imgur.com/ssW4CLT.jpg
Doesn't happen in Mark V, DarkPlaces or DirectQ. Does happen in vkQuake, which is a Quakespasm fork.
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