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Aguirre 
regarding mapping: well, that doesn't mean i'll finish it ;)

regarding gate: eh? is the light quality the same as with -soft -extra etc? 
Yeah 
I used surfacelight for all the lava in my dm map "blood sweat & piss" (on my website - http://www.planetquake.com/dazdranz/ ) normal lighting for everything else, and dumped surface lights to the bsp with a program then lit it with arguires light.exe , worked a treat 
Vondur 
The quality is the same. The difference is measurable but not visible. I use it all the time now and in most maps, it speeds up light processing by 2-15 times
Movable Keys? 
Is it possible to make a key move around in a level? I.E. I want a gold key "driving" on a func_train:) 
... 
so make a small func_train, and put the key on top of it. 
Yeah Sure. 
Just place the key on top of the train...

�_� 
Excuse My Newbiness 
=) You're right... I am not familiar with setting up func_trains, so I ever placed the key somewhere else but not at the "real" (as it is compiled) top of the trainbrushes:\ Well, me < editor < Quake 
85 
the train will begin its movement from the path_corner it targeted, so put the key under the train near that path_corner entity... 
Aguirre 
i've met some troubles with shadows of sunlight2/3.
http://vondur.net/images/fitz0004.jpg
i tried every possible settings with sunlights, including sunlight3 usage. and cannot get how to make these shadows render properly.
maybe because they're too far from the sky? 
Difficult To Say 
from just the shot. I assume you mean why the bright spots are there? One thing that normally isn't very good is the sun pitch of -90. Please try e.g. -89 instead and see if it works better.

Otherwise I can only think of that sunlight2/3 is actually generated by a limited number of extra suns arranged in a grid around the upper hemisphere, which means that they won't be able to reach every corner, especially not if the architecture is complex or very vertical.

The distance from sky shouldn't matter since sunlight is non-attenuated (like delay 3).

If you wish, you can send me the zipped map+wad and I'll see if I can find out what's going on. 
Aguirre 
ok, the .map sent :) 
Daz 
I tried something like that a while ago, and couldn't get it to work, can you tell me how you managed to use two lighting tools on one BSP? Bastid :D

When I tried it, I found that the last lighting tool used stomped all of the pre-existing lightmap data, but perhaps I was doing something wrong (or using the tools in the wrong order). I was using Q1rad and aguire's light tool, but I can't remember which one I used first. 
FRIBLETS 
From my bsp.bsp compile.bat -->

dubsp -nocrouch bsp
vis -level 4 bsp
durad -extra -dumpfacelights bsp
dulight -extra -surfacelights bsp

if u dont have dulight/rad I can email them to you... 
Thanks Daz 
I do have durad/dulight, I've just never used them as I thought they were made redundant by Q1rad. I'll have to have a look, thanks! 
/me Has Had An Idea 
Do any quake engines that anyone knows of support moving lights with negative values? 
FitzQuake Supports Colored Lightning 
but you must have an associated .lit file with your .bsp file.

Glad if someone would explane this a little more. Don't care to write one, if I knew how. 
 
Moving lights? I'd think darkplaces and tenbrae could do that since they're the only ones with dynamic lights I know of off the top of my head. Fuckall knows if they allow negative lights. 
moving lights is easy.
make a func_train with a small brush. in the func_train, give the key 'effects' '1' 
Necros 
This is interesting, I don't think I've ever heard of this key before. What exactly does it do and what entities does it work with? 
Jago... 
 
!

why they fuck didn't I know of that page when I was doing speedmaps!? neat shit like that is what makes speedmaps great! 
It's 
a key that is normally only used in qc stuff (like when an enforcer bolt is spawned, that key is set so that it glows) and is handled all by the engine.
but we can hijack it like fatty demonstrates. ^_^ 
I Think It Was... 
...Pingu who used it to great effect (no pun intended) in "The Journey Home" by adding "effects" value "1" to the gold key.

If I'm wrong about it being Pingu, bleh!

Scampie: j00 r n00b 
Don't Forget: 
effects = 4 is a bright light
effects = 8 is the yellow particle field + dimlight 
Noobs 
 
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