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Posted by madfox on 2019/09/29 11:55:14 |
I read a lot of toppics about the possibillity of making a chasm quake convertion. As with the discusion about beez it often ends up whith a lot of whisfull thinking.
Here my intention to do make a chasm.quake devkit.
So far I've got the models in Quake running, but only on "notarget" function. If you have any ideas here is a devkit with the results.
There is still a lot to be done before all subroutines are cleaned up. For some I have a solution, but there are a lot of double poses in them.
To be done:
- stripping the frames for double action.
- adding the attack pain and death qc.
- eventually change the weapons and attack.
- adjusting the sound files.
- making maps for it with the chasm.wad
- extracting the cieling/floor parts.
Here's the first part of The Sewer map I'm making to try out the first three monsters Stratos - Faust and Spider.
chasm_quake_dev02
sewer1
sewer2
sewer3
I know it is a rather big chunk of work.
I just do it for fun and have no commercial intrest.
Just my urge to see that bastards run in Quake.
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Not Orange?
#210 posted by madfox on 2020/01/16 22:48:50
Crosspost
#211 posted by madfox on 2020/01/16 22:53:48
Lionguy has only a melee attack.
Raising shotgun ldmg is a hack.
That AlienCaptain gets too strong with three double missile attacks.
I lowered the ldmg to 15.
#212 posted by yhe1 on 2020/01/17 00:13:09
I see no difference in the Lionman behavior, still trying to attack me with his club at range. However, your viking code is completely fine, so give the viking code to the Lionman. They should act exactly the same.
The Alien Warrior is now too tough, there is no need to give him 500 health. tone it down to 300.
The missiles is just test code for the stratos, right? Please change it back to lasers for the Alien Warrior and Alien Captain.
The stratos is still too much health. This guy is a scrag level enemy, so 120 health tops. 15 per missile for a total of 30 damage.
If Sarcof is really going to be a boss then his missiles and melee need to do more damage (close to 100, kill the player in 2 hits), or the Boss version need to fire multiple missiles.
But I like your mini Sarcof as a Shambler class enemy with 500 health, can you re include it? For the mini version, keep the damage at 25. Like in Duke3d, there is the battlelord and the mini battlelord.
#213 posted by yhe1 on 2020/01/17 00:29:31
Also, I just saw a gross take on an Ogre with both near full health, and the battle was almost 50/50. It was beautiful lol. So the Gross is perfectly balanced. Just move the rock to his hand.
#214 posted by yhe1 on 2020/01/17 00:47:06
Do a viking vs Death Knight in your next beta
Skill
#215 posted by madfox on 2020/01/17 01:45:28
Not sure about Lionguy, you don't like the range attack with its club?
ALien warrior and AlienCaptain are no low range monsters. In chasm they have a missile attack, aren't they?
#216 posted by yhe1 on 2020/01/17 01:57:25
No, the alien warrior and captain have green lasers in Chasm, so give them the laser back.
Like I said, the lionman and the viking should act exactly the same.
Did you use the "go" cheat code to see the different monsters?
#217 posted by yhe1 on 2020/01/17 02:06:06
#218 posted by yhe1 on 2020/01/17 02:11:19
@-otp
#219 posted by madfox on 2020/01/17 20:37:21
Because Chasm is a fine game and deserves an afer life after the Editor got lost without a command.com of 59695 in stead of 95695. (If that would be the cause.
#220 posted by yhe1 on 2020/01/17 22:37:47
Like you said, this is a chasm devkit, so it should contain all monsters accurate to Chasm. So give your viking code to the Lionman, finish the Lionman first, then you can make a copy of him and give him new attacks
One of the idea I have the making a copy of the stratos and making him shoot double grenades, since quake always lacked a "bomber" enemy. That's why I asked you if you can edit the color and make new skins.
Newwhero
#221 posted by madfox on 2020/01/18 01:05:48
The Lionguy code is the same as the Viking, although the lather has three attack poses and Lionguy only two.
Don't see what the's the hussle here.
I have no "go" cheat at hand.
Changing texture is quiete another job, the Joker looks awfull.
I have two monsters Skeleton and Joker, that have a regenerate code. A bit tacky to get them on the zombie trail.
Added NewHero and raptor sounds, further changes in health and skill:
dev2.18
#222 posted by yhe1 on 2020/01/18 06:04:12
Hey Madfox, I made two videos showing what the problem with the Lionman is:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xh8e5wfueqrrtfi/video-1579323494.mp4?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9f6n75ecbm08q0e/video-1579323584.mp4?dl=0
You can clearly see the difference between the two. Hope it helps you fix it.
Fix
#223 posted by madfox on 2020/01/19 03:35:56
It seems that the continue attack on distance keeps showing up. After some research I discovered that although lion and viking have the same (rottweiler) code, they differ in melee_attack.
Viking has three and Lion guy has two.
So I made a gesture by making a new lionguy_atkb and now the attack on distance is gone.
Why it is I don't have any idea, only that it seems to work this way.
#224 posted by yhe1 on 2020/01/19 08:47:04
Nice Congrats on the fix.
Even thought you give the alien captain and alien warrior their lasers back, they skill use rocket sounds.
The sounds for the Alien warrior and alien captain are also not correct, it should be Alisee1.ogg and alisee2.ogg.
Lower the alien captain's laser to 10 damage, right now he shoots six lasers. 10x6 =60, which is good, 15x6 is too much damage.
Lower the alien warriors health to 300, he feels to tough.
Check the bounding box of Heronew, monsters don't infight with him.
after testing fiend vs pig, and viking vs death knight, change the pig's health to 300, and the viking Health to 450, otherwise they died too easily to fiends and death knights.
Can you also include the updated health and damage chart next time?
#225 posted by yhe1 on 2020/01/19 09:27:46
sorry, viking health to 350, that will give it more of a chance against death knight
Argh
#226 posted by madfox on 2020/01/19 11:51:26
Alienwarior has a health of 300.
Little tweaking for that Skeleton.
It only dies at first attack and has no missile attack.
dev2.19
#227 posted by yhe1 on 2020/01/19 19:52:53
I See
#228 posted by madfox on 2020/01/20 00:55:52
In the ChasmQuake level it keeps that behaviour, although in a single map this is not the case. Have no idea about it.
Can be the models and qc are becoming a bit unstable.
#229 posted by yhe1 on 2020/01/20 01:52:29
The video is on private setting, I cannot see it.
what about giving Fiend code to lionman with jumping removed? The fiend had left and right slash, just like the lionman
#230 posted by madfox on 2020/01/20 03:42:34
I made the video public, it's low extention.
#231 posted by yhe1 on 2020/01/20 06:51:43
Code
#232 posted by madfox on 2020/01/21 01:12:58
As I wrote before, most of the chasm models have only one side vertices. For some I could find a way around it, like adding new triangles that would shape up with the same skin file.
Others won't work, like adding a flamemouth to the entities by destroying the excisting skin file. So I juggled the excisting ones in the model and reordered the alpha channel one.
Skeleton is really poor with vertices, especially the boots. I tried doubling the triangles but end up with scrambled skin file.
Should find a way to get around the 64x941 skin size problem.
My attention was drawn in another specific casuality. In the mod Killer_Quake QC I came across some arguments.
float THROW_ARM = 1;
float THROW_LEG = 2;
float THROW_TORSO = 4;
float BODYPARTS_ARM = 1;
float BODYPARTS_LEG = 2;
float BODYPARTS_TORSO = 3;
Could it be possible with this code to make the entities make shootable bodyparts?
#233 posted by yhe1 on 2020/01/21 01:55:32
Well skeletons are suppose to the animated by magic anyway, so just get the movement and missile attack working.
Did you try fiend code on the lionman? what about knight code?
Skeleton
#234 posted by madfox on 2020/01/21 06:15:16
As long as the code like #228 works I don't see a reason to change Lionguy.
Retextured the boots and hand of Skeleton, it works just like the Zombie. Only bad is it regenerates once.
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