when it comes to dealing with trolls... 

Come the fuck on, dude.

and don't even get me started on the Rogue textures... 

Unlike some of your and others' comments, #2194 wasn't intended to be mean, aggressive or insulting, it was a depiction of your attitude towards graphical enhancements. You gotta admit you DO sound like a bit of a zealot about it. I'm sorry if you felt offended, I know I can be blunt sometimes but it wasn't an attack. Can we please get past this once and for all?

I'm not saying they didn't do a hard job or didn't spend countless hours lovingly crafting their game, but putting it all on intent and disregarding technicalities is delusional. IMHO. With due respect. Do you think they would have gone with blocky pixels if they had a choice about it? 

If is a word god uses when he wants to have a laugh. 

God remains to be proven real. 

should be enough of a proof. 

Ha ha, nice one! You sure do create awesome worlds. Do you do that in seven days too? 

you infidel. even i need some rest. 

A supposedly omnipotent being needing some rest? Doesn't sound legit. 

troll elsewhere, leave this thread for engine-related topics please. 

Since when off-topic=troll, exactly? But agreed, this whole discussion should've been taken elsewhere. I did say so myself a few posts ago. I was just making tongue-in-cheek responses to your humoristic comments. Mugwump out. 

else is idc 

Dwere, you didn't think that the missing body from the texture was because the body was supposed to be rendered in 3D? Tsk-tsk...
Before you leave this thread, I'd like to see a screenshot of this body rendered in 3D, or a link to a mod that enables that.

I'm assuming other textures with similar detailing preserved, but merely stretched/filtered, were always made specifically for such a mod, so you're not supposed to see the lazy parts.

I'm really not sure why this is such a tough thing to believe.
There's a saying about thirteen strikes of the clock. I've clearly seen the assets that weren't made using pixel art techniques, so I find it logical to believe that such methods were used on a regular basis. Why not, if it can make your life easier?

I admit that I don't know the exact capabilities of the tool that id used at the time (Deluxe Paint?), but I've heard it had some advanced features like blurring, even though it wasn't a true color image manipulation program.

Do you think they would have gone with blocky pixels if they had a choice about it?
Again, you could say the same about early pixel art examples. This is irrelevant to the question of how aesthetically pleasing is the art itself, or if the technique used should be abandoned.

Low-res paletted art generally takes less time to create than high-res true color art despite the former's limitations, so it still has its applications in non-commercial works where your resources are very limited.

Even a "retro" project is hard to pull off with an acceptable level of quality, so it's no wonder that "modern" amateur projects are so rare (and typically look worse than their technical level allows). 

MFX needs to go map...

OTOH. Yes, if you redid everything in Quake, including all hi-poly models, increased the brushwork tenfold, etc etc, then sure hi-res textures and bump-mapping and shit would look good in.

At the moment, it is simply a matter of objective scientific fact that pushing some graphical aspects very far forward whilst other graphical aspects lag behind makes the game look like ass.

(Conversely, some graphical aspects - coloured lighting, fog, transparency, particles etc - can be pushed a bit and still be perfectly harmonious with the basic graphics when used well. Why is this? Who knows, just another immutable law of the universe).

This doesn't mean the potential isn't there, but the whole lot has to be over-hauled in harmony, not disharmony. 

I remember reading about this. If memory serves, QRP was originally a much more ambitious project designed to replace all textures AND all models in the game. After a while, they dropped the models part to focus on the retexturing. So the body was never actually made and the texture was "forgotten" and left as is. However, there is a fix for it: a hi-res body was added to the texture by someone else. You won't find it in QRP and I don't remember exactly who did it and where you can find it. Maybe in SMC but I'm really not sure. 

 

or new kinn posts. He has been on fire lately. 

But using his own custom textures all of which are made from the text of his recent posts, and of course are fully hi-res, hi-definition, bump-mapped, specular-mapped and generally fucked up beyond all comprehension. 

with walls textured in his Quake Hitler pose. 

Version 0.92.1 of QuakeSpasm is released: This is a minor bug-fix release.
Changes since the previous version:

* Fixed large menu scale factors (was broken in 0.92.0).
* Fixed PAUSE key (was broken in 0.92.0).
* Updated some of the third-party libraries.

http://quakespasm.sourceforge.net/download.htm
http://sourceforge.net/projects/quakespasm/files/ 

I remember reading about this. If memory serves, QRP was originally a much more ambitious project designed to replace all textures AND all models in the game.

What about remaking all the maps to have the high levels of detail that would justify the replacement textures and models? 3200 poly monsters in 400 polygon worlds look just as out of place.

But it's all academic anyway, Quake's vagueness is part and parcel of the deal now, and you can't upgrade your way out of it without disappointing a certain proportion of the player base. For example, this ogre replacement has been objected to on the grounds that he's holding the chainsaw in a hand, rather than it being grafted onto his arm. To some that was a limitation required in 1996, to others the body-horror was part of the appeal (this may explain why Edie is part-ogre rather than part-human).

Similar debates have raged on this board over whether Shamblers have fur or ragged pale skin, whether Fiends have eyes, and whether the Vore has a feminine physique or not (note to func_ regulars: please resist the natural temptation to reignite all of these below). The more you define the detail, the fewer people will agree with your interpretation. Best to let people's imaginations fill in the gaps, like a good book spared an imperfect film adaption. 

Amen. 

Thanks OZ! 

really preaches it. 

Support for colored text in centerprint messages. I'm wanting to use them as headers on different bools that you read in this one map mine. They look fine in Darkplaces but have ^7 characters showing in QSPSM.