@szo
thanks for the heads up, I had version 1.8, I linked the wrong version.
however, in the change notes in 1.9 from 1.8
"Fixed an error if the TCP connection to the IRC server couldn't be established under 250ms."
Kinn
#2145 posted by aDaya on 2016/06/21 00:46:07
That's it basically.
If I can't do that however I can still have a workaround but it would only works for darkplaces and quakespasm/fitzquake, and including custom music would be tricky since you can only put track numbers.
But if there's a way to make quake play properly named music tracks even if it still looks for the CD location that would be great.
@Daya
#2146 posted by Spike on 2016/06/21 05:02:38
sorry for the mindless babble...
cd audio is handled by both engine AND the gamecode, which is not a happy combination - the engine can't use track names because the mod will somewhat stomp over it, and the mod can't use names because there's no standard way to actually do that (and would still get nuked on each map change).
so we're stuck with the server changing tracks on map changes, and maps+mods only using 0-255 values for track numbers.
despite CDs being mostly irrelevant now, dp+fte both still retain the cd command, with a distinction made between numeric and non-numeric tracks.
'cd play 5' plays track 5, but 'cd play omgwtf.ogg' plays the named file instead of a numbered one. this also works with 'cd loop foo' too, of course.
The coolest thing about this is that the following command works too:
cd remap TRACKNUMBER TRACKFILENAME
which is just great for remapping a track number to a named file (just don't expect it to change anything until the track is next changed). This can be great for config files.
the catch is that you're still fighting the svc_cdtrack that the server sends when you first connect, yay race conditions.
anyway, set world.sounds=0 inside worldspawn so that any cd tracks the server sends will be ignored and not give hideousness, and then send a 'cd loop foo' stuffcmd, or a 'music foo' stuffcmd to make quakespasm happy, while fte is happy with either (I'm too lazy to comment on other engines).
That way, you get full control over what is actually played.
Spike
#2147 posted by aDaya on 2016/06/21 11:17:57
"'cd play 5' plays track 5, but 'cd play omgwtf.ogg' plays the named file instead of a numbered one. this also works with 'cd loop foo' too, of course. "
So what you're saying is, I can have a music track named "woah.ogg" and have in worldspawn's sounds line "woah" and it would play it on both Quakespasm/Fitzquake and Darkplaces?
Or must I use the world.sounds=0 thing, but then how would darkplaces play custom tracks if the commannd is different there?
Thanks For The Help Everyone :)
Szo, Baker, EricW
I got it working... Now I need to polish it up :)
On Music...
What would be the best way to implement progressive music, whereby entering into a mob filled area, the music becomes faster or different "battle music" fades in? Vice versa after the battle.
I'm not building this myself, I'm just interested how one might achieve this. I reckon it would compliment the game quite well.
Would you quakec? modify engine? use custom ambient sounds and triggers?
How I've Implemented Before
#2150 posted by ijed on 2016/06/22 19:17:32
Is to have two pieces of music playing at once and crossfade their volumes linked to another variable - usually something simple like player % health.
Both of the pieces of music work in theory when played at full volume together, but won't sound too good. The idea is that one piece is the 'action' music and the other the 'calm'.
Action starts at 0 volume and calm at 1 (full). As the player health drops and rises you switch the volumes - the lower their health, the higher the volume of the action music.
Never done this in Quake, although it wouldn't be difficult - could be done purely in qc, although you'd need to do some proper music editing using midis to turn off/on instruments and get the two identically sequenced but different sounding tracks.
That Is
#2151 posted by ijed on 2016/06/22 19:18:44
The lower the player health, the higher the volume of the action music and the lower the volume of the calm music.
Interesting
I guess that's how the heartbeats work in some games too, except with volume and speed.
Hmm
The variable I would use would be the quantity of mobs that have the player targeted as their enemy.
Or even total mob health as a percentage.
Probably with some kind of distance from player function as well. So that if you leave a single mob behind you won't constantly have battle music playing.
#2154 posted by Kinn on 2016/06/22 20:08:16
/is playing oblivion
/a small crab emerges from a pond 25 yards away
EPIC BATTLE MUSIC
@shamblernaut
#2155 posted by Baker on 2016/06/23 03:31:07
Nice to see you got your modification working.
#2156 posted by Baker on 2016/06/23 03:40:59
Probably with some kind of distance from player function as well.
Shamblernaut walks over a bridge. There are fish below.
Combat music ensues.
Shamblernaut finishes crosses the bridge. Combat music wanes.
Close call! Major skirmish averted!
do rottfish target the player out of the water?
Rotfish
#2158 posted by Preach on 2016/06/23 08:40:18
Monsters in Quake can't trace line-of-sight through water by default. wateralpha didn't exist in the original Quake. Preventing fish from alerting on players they can't attack is the main reason not to alter this behaviour.
ijed: There's a bit of a challenge in Quake that you can't modify the volume of a sound while it is playing. You'd have to build some kind of drum machine/sequencer in QuakeC and manually repeat the samples at different volumes - maybe like the procedural music in Left 4 Dead. I worry that variations in the frame rate would make that a bit wobbly.
Related joke: How do you know a drummer is knocking at your door? A: He speeds up
Forgot About That :)
#2159 posted by ijed on 2016/06/23 14:50:24
Constructing it by hand would allow you to do the knocking drummer effect though - upping the tempo as well as or instead of the sound volume changeover.
And there's always the classic HL1 method - ambient sounds only, and whenever a big fight starts play a short, scripted, one shot piece of music.
Quakespasm-IRC-0.1
download link: https://db.tt/5jcVUJfD
screenshot: https://db.tt/5jcVUJfD
Hey
If possible I'd like to ask for some help compiling for windows and osx. I already have the linux version compiled and working (binaries included in the dropbox link provided).
Also feedback will be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Snaut.
#2161 posted by Joel B on 2016/06/25 17:14:51
wrong screenshot link?
Yeppers
Dat Texture Filterering
#2163 posted by killpixel on 2016/06/25 18:08:49
@snaut
#2164 posted by Baker on 2016/06/26 08:31:59
You might consider cross-compiling for Windows and testing the build under Wine, since you seem to understand all of that.
Which would keep you in driver's seat, which is seat anyone wants to be sitting in.
Here is a cross-compiling tutorial for CodeBlocks: http://forums.codeblocks.org/index.php?topic=3343.0
CodeBlocks Cross-compiling Wiki Entry: http://wiki.codeblocks.org/index.php?title=Code::Blocks_and_Cross_Compilers
Video Tutorial on cross-compiling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-yw-aD8CTI
Then you can make tweaks any time you want and build a Windows binary whenever you like.
Add:
#2165 posted by Baker on 2016/06/26 08:43:48
The Quakespasm team may already have a way of cross-compiling up a Windows build.
Thanks Baker
Yeah, I'll sort it myself. I was trying to avoid clogging up my system with too many dev apps and libs, but last night I started down that road anyway.
Thanks for the links too. I'll dig a little deeper into it.
@snaut
#2167 posted by ericw on 2016/06/26 09:19:30
QS has some build_cross_*.sh scripts in the Quake directory, they'll need to be edited depending on your Linux distro/version.
The cross compile scripts I use for windows builds on my jenkins setup are here: https://github.com/ericwa/quakespasm-build-scripts (somewhat specific to my jenkins/ubuntu 14.04 setup. IIRC I started with build_cross_win32.sh and modified it a bit to work on that system.)
Pretty much all I installed with apg-get was the "mingw32" package plus "build-essential".
New Link With Windows Binary
https://www.dropbox.com/s/iko14xmbe0gvwwq/Quakespasm-IRC-0.1.zip?dl=0
requires dlls, they're packaged in the source code if you don't have them
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