Func_Msgboard: Mapping Help

Posted by metlslime on 2002/12/23 18:31:29

This is the place to ask about mapping problems, techniques, and bug fixing, and pretty much anything else you want to do in the level editor.

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Dirt, Stairs (different Height Floors) And Black Models.

#20255 posted by kakoeimon on 2019/08/02 08:48:37

First of all hello.
Second, I hope my English are good enough to achieve communication...

In the topic now.
When I use dirt in a map I get nice results but when the floor height is changed like in stairs, dirt leaves black lines between stairs and this turns the models black when are above it.

https://imgur.com/L8gPmVU

The problem gets bigger as the models move over stairs and flash.

One "solution" I thought was to use func group for all floors and set to them dirt -1.

This is the result:

https://imgur.com/sAHMLG6

Do you fellow mappers find the "solution" acceptable?

Is there any technique to get better results?

Or I have to discard dirt in closed rooms?

Thanks.

Imo

#20256 posted by Kinn on 2019/08/02 10:14:48

it's far better to have good looking lighting on your world geo than to compromise your art to "solve" issues with quake's ancient rules for mdl lighting.

I'd keep dirt on the stairs personally.

I Will Keep Dirt.

#20257 posted by kakoeimon on 2019/08/02 11:42:01

Thanks Kinn, I lean towards this too.
Now I got in the task to modify quakespasm to get "better" results.
I found a solution but I get 32 more samples for each moving model. Models are getting darker on stairs but do not flash.

Always Getting "WARNING: Leaf Portals Saw Into Leaf (#)"

#20258 posted by starshipwaters on 2019/08/04 06:45:35

I'm a new Quake mapper and hoping to submit a map for Yoder's Sewer Mapjam. I'm already getting hung up because every time I'm compiling a map and get to the vis process I get a bunch of "WARNING: Leaf portals saw into leaf" warnings. The compiler doesn't report any leaks and no pts files are made, so I am at a loss with how to fix/approach this. Trying to read through the Trenchbroom manual and searching on Google hasn't helped me figure out how to solve this.

When I pull other maps, be they original id maps or maps from Quaddicted, I notice they don't have the same warnings. For troubleshooting, I have tried putting a few different maps I started through the compiler and closing the maps down until there are no warnings, but even maps that are barely more than a cube room give me the warning.

I am sure I keep doing something dumb that keeps causing this issue since I'm new to Trenchbroom and Quake modding. If anyone is able to point me toward some documentation to explain what I'm doing wrong or is able to help me troubleshoot through the comments, it would be super appreciated!!

My Bad..

#20259 posted by ericw on 2019/08/04 19:34:11

I assume this is happening with:
https://github.com/ericwa/ericw-tools/releases/tag/v0.18.2-rc1

It's a bug I inadvertently added in that version while fixing something else (a cause of HOM's with very thin leafs). As far as I can see the warnings are safe to ignore and the vis quality is still fine. On my list of things to investigate / fix properly, but if you want you can use an older version like https://github.com/ericwa/ericw-tools/releases/tag/v0.18.1 or another compiler etc.

Ericw - That Did It

#20260 posted by starshipwaters on 2019/08/04 21:44:01

Thanks for the heads up on the bug. I see someone else mentioned it on your github page now. I tried things in v0.18.1 and I don't get any warnings. Also nice to know the warnings can be ignored in v0.18.2-rc1 if I want though.

btw, thanks for all the tools ericw!

Longer Messages

#20263 posted by GunSgtHighway on 2019/08/22 14:28:51

Hi.

I want to show a long mission briefing text in a message that has to be shown at least 10 seconds.
Tried this with a brush-trigger with wait and delay but it dissapeard after 3 seconds.
Is there a way to show it longer?

Here's A Hacky Method

#20264 posted by dumptruck_ds on 2019/08/22 19:21:41

I've done this in the past by using a chain of trigger_relay entities. It's not perfect but it should work.

Give the same message to 5 trigger relays. Trigger the first in the chain with no wait value. Have this trigger_relay target the next relay and give it a wait of 2. Repeat this with the remaining relays.

It's been a while and I am typing this from memory but I believe this worked. You may need to fiddle with the wait value. Also the text is limited to a certain number of characters. Not sure how many.

#20265 posted by metlslime on 2019/08/22 19:41:10

or, trigger_multiple for the text, and a silent counter that kills the trigger after X times

It Works!

#20266 posted by GunSgtHighway on 2019/08/22 23:20:21

@dumptruck_ds; @metlslime

Thanks for the hints.

I did the trigger_relay thing and it works.
I only got this nerve killing bing sound endless repeating.
Can I turn this off?

#20267 posted by dumptruck_ds on 2019/08/22 23:28:13

it should only do it 5x - what might be happening is you are using a trigger_multiple with a short wait time.

increase the wait time to a higher number

#20268 posted by dumptruck_ds on 2019/08/22 23:28:14

it should only do it 5x - what might be happening is you are using a trigger_multiple with a short wait time.

increase the wait time to a higher number

#20279 posted by GunSgtHighway on 2019/08/23 09:20:37

Ok. I changed the waittime of the trigger to 10 and the wait=2 of the relays to delay=2. That works better. Less beeps. :)

Thanks.

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