I meant the language (mainly) and structure it was delivered in. The terminology etc makes it sound complex and confusing when it's really not all that articulate an idea.

A lot of people I know that watched it didnt get the ending because they thought it was too complicated, which wither means that they're stupid or the creators got what they intended. 

The terminology etc makes it sound complex and confusing when it's really not all that articulate an idea.

As you said, if you're saying something simple then there's no real need to use complex language; but to me, that was part of the character. It would rather be an anticlimax to find that the architect, the creator of the Matrix, not only looks like Colonel Sanders, but talks like him, too.

You don't meet the smartest person in the world and expect him to use a vocabularly on the same level as a 4th year student, just because that's the average reading level for the population. 

I probably contradicted myself a bit in that message. Deal with it. 

The architect certainly spoke in a way that was hard to follow, but I don't think he spoke in a particularly intelligent way. A lot of the longer, more uncommon words were just put in there for the sake of it, where much clearer words could have been chosen to convey the message. A more intelligent way of speaking would choose a longer word because it conveyed something more subtle: a more complicated, subtle or elusive meaning. The architect from the Matrix Reloaded was made to speak big clevor words because it makes him, and the movies underlying philosophy and 'plot' seem big and clevor. Welcome to pretentiousness, for lesson two we'll be visiting the Art Department. 

Words can't be clevah, only sentances.

If you want to create the impression that he's so intelligent, using longer and less common words would be a good route to go. And that's not pretentious. What they should have done was have Neo say everything back to him in a simpler language and probably using a metaphor (the Star Trek method). 

 

thats very typical.
you dont like *somthing* that others adore and you feel pissedoff and start to HATE it and even everyone who loves it...

if it makes you feel any better: you are fine if you dont dig matrix, dont worry :) 

talk about taking if out of context. I dont recall anyone (apart from maybe Tronyn) saying that they hate all Matrix-lovers or that they couldnt stand the film. I think it was more a discussion on what aspects of the film they did and didnt like.

RPG,

I was going to reply, but starbuck said most of all I had to say. I'll just add that considering the rest of the film had dialogue that looked like it was stolen from George Lucas's safe, some of the "intellectual" conversations looked really out of place. The first one's a bit better in this respect, but still pretentious IMHO. 

/me shrugs

I had no real issues with that part of the movie, so suit yourself. 

It was someone on this board I think that said it best. They said something along the lines of:

"The Matrix wasn't nearly as cool as it thought it was."

I still use that phrase to explain to people what I don't like about The Matrix. That said, I do enjoy the movies quite a bit. Good action and a more interesting plot line then most blockbuster movies make up for all the things I don't like about the movie. 

I didn't really read this entire thread, or care to, but here is my view on whatever was said on the matrix.

Basicly it was a very good action movie, that is true. But to say it sucks when you like Dark City instead is just retarded. I only saw Dark City after the matrix, so I don't care if Matrix stole their ideas (I am sure they didn't tho, they actually stole most of it from a japense cartoon, and i don't think they had the time to steal dark citys ideas, it only came out a little before the matrix.)

The reason I think so many people hate it, is because of the many people who love it because they think it is smart. It is not smart at all, but either is Dark City.

The Matrix and dark city also have very nice styles. While dark city is very dark, the matrix is very clean and sci fi (i would also say somewhat industrial).

and about the movie being pretentious... it never is! I suppose a lot of people might think the end of reloaded is pretentious, but it really isn't. The reason it is complex is because he only gives little info on certain things, it is not that he uses big words.

Besides, what did you expect him to sound like? He is the creator of the matrix, did you expect him to say "hey neo waz up? did ya know your the 6th one, and that hot dark haired girlfriend of yours is going die". OF COURSE he was going to sound smart. Of COURSE he was going to use big words (I don't know why they made him look like the KFC guy tho)

anyway, to sum up my post, tronyn is an idiot who stills in his dark room all day having 26s listening to NIN (and i know this as a fact), and the matrix was really not that bad. 

You're wrong because... because... you're just WRONG! Ok?! Cunt. 

a good movie. its old, weird and abstract. its called Un Chien Andalou, and its from 1928, and its 15 minutes or so.


...yeah 

Got me a movie
I want you to know
Slicing up eyeballs
I want you to know
Girlie so groovy
I want you to know
Don't know about you
But I am un chien Andalusia

a very good song based on that very movie :)
more info:

Based on French surrealistic film "Un Chien Andalou" (An Andalusian Dog), by Spanish director Luis Bunuel (1928). The film starts with the scene in which an eyeball is being cut open.

Andalusia is the Southern region of Spain including Sierra Nevada & valley of the Guadalquivir.

"I wish Bunuel was still alive. He made this film about nothing in particular. The title itself is a nonsense. With my stupid, pseudo-scholar, naive, enthusiast, avant-garde-ish, amateurish way to watch 'Un Chien Andalou' (twice), I thought: 'Yeah, I will make a song about it,' he sings: "un chien andalou"...It sounds too French, so I will sing "un chien andalusia", it sounds good, no?" - Black Francis, translated from a Spanish interview 

damn good film, just got released here in Australia. It's like a cross between Serpico and French Connection and you really cant go wrong with that. 

I wouldn't go so far as to compare it to those ground breaking films, but NARC does deliver what it set out to do. 

I always see it in Blockbuster and think maybe I'd like to see it. I just might have to go ahead and try it now. 

well it cant be as ground breaking as those two because the raw cop thriller was sort of original back then, whereas it has been done to death by now. I was more commenting on how it's different to nomral cop thrillers by comparing to those that seem similar in atmosphere. 

who framed roger rabbit?

Pretty good, quite witty in parts and the toon stuff is actually integrated quite well for its age.

the truman show

This I like, cleverly executed idea that's quite interesting to watch. Dont know what all the fuss about Carrey's performance was though, this is Peter Weir's film.

Total Recall

Liked this too, even though I dont normally like Verheoven movies. Action was good and the movie wasnt as cheesy as his others.

The Third Man

Excellent stuff. Orson Welles is the man, he stole this movie even though he's only in it for about 1/3 of the time.

Tape

Good stuff, well written and acted and it didnt drag on.

A Simple Plan

Excellent movie with great script and decent acting. I was waiting for Bill Paxton's character to just lose it and start yelling "Game Over Man, Game Over!" at some point.

The Shawshank Redemption

Brilliant stuff, easily the best prison movie I've seen, Morgan Freeman is in grat form and Tim Robbins puts in one of those good one-note performances.

Rear Window

This has to be one of my favorite movies now. No faults in it at all IMHO.

Rosemary's Baby

good movie with excellent direction, too bad the lead up the to the ending sucked though, totally out of place with the rest of the movie. The Satan rape scene was bizarre and creepy too. 

and I want my money back. 

if you'll send me back the money I pay for a stamp. 

I dont want to spend another cent in relation that movie. 

again, more from my unwatched dvd stack :

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

ok movie, stunning visuals, nice climax.

Groundhog Day

Pretty funny, dont nomrally like Bill Murray but this is tailored perfectly for him.

Nightmare Before Christmas

Tim Burton's creative vision is pure genious. Musical numbers got a bit too much for me but it looks spectacular and the dark humor is done well.

The Quiet American

Good stuff, tight sotry at about 90 mins and pretty good acting and tension.

Punch-Drunk Love

Not as good as I was hoping but the quirky moments are quite welcome and the visuals are great. Adam Sandler does a Truman Show with this one.

Psycho

No Gore but much better than the slasher flicks of the last 20 years or so. They way Hitchcock makes you think that the movie is about some woman with personal problems in the first hald hour is fantastic.

The Pianist

Brody deserved his oscar as did Polanski.

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Jack Nicholson must have hit a pruple patch with this and Chinatown. Excellent stuff though the ending felt a bit too cute.

Once Upon a Time in America

Again, not as good as I'd hoped but there's a lot to like, especially in the first half. Leone probably bit off a bit too much though.

Monster's Ball

Way better than I thought it would be, quite an interesting handling of the subject.

Misery

Pretty good, the sledgehammer scene actually had me feeling James Caan's pain. Too contived and predictable in the end though.

Miller's Crossing

Excellent stuff, Gabriel Byrne does his best at a film noirish charcter and the Coens put together their best film after Fargo.

The Man Who Wasnt There

Average movie with moments of inspiration. Wonderful B & W cinematography.

Jaws

Considering the age, the film holds up really well. I didnt think I'd like it this much given that I was watching it now.

The Hours

Everyone, I mean everyone, in this movie is in superb acting form. Movie itself is quite good, if a bit hard to relate to all the depression.

High Fidelity

Amusing film, probably because it has so many familiar characters.

Good Will Hunting

Wow, much better than I thought. The ending was poor, and the idea a bit too BS, but the rest is quite impressive.

Gangs of New York

average film with good visuals and a good performance by Day Lewis and a bearable performance from DiCaprio.

The Game

Very good till the very end, where it falls complteley flat on its face. Considering the script, Fincher did a damn fine job with it.

Equilibrium

Not sure on this, it spares you the Matrix's philosophical crap yet the Matrix probably has a better script regardless. The action scenes are very good, even though some sequences (ie it has its very own Lobby Sequence near the end) are too Matrixey. Worth watching anyway. 

Finally got my copy of John Carpenter's classic 1988 Neo-Red Scare flick They Live on DVD. For details check http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/ and my take on it is very much along the lines of the comment on that page -- there SHOULD be more movies like this =)

The only drawback to the DVD tho is the lack of commentary by The Carpenter (I was hoping he and "Rowdy" Roddy Piper would have as much fun doing the commnetary as JC and Kurt Russell did on the The Thing and Big Trouble In Little China -- the clink of glasses and the flicks of lighters, along with some of the most wayward commentary you'll ever hear, simply adds to the movie experience after you've seen it the initial time).

All in all, it's just good to see this movie on DVD, but I'm still hoping a Special Edition is coming soon... 

Bad Boys 2 was just released, and I happened to find the first movie on DVD a few weeks ago. Even though you might not like the movie itself (about two-thirds of it is spent watching Will Smith running with his shirt open in slow motion), there are some nice extras.

The documentary is more about the special effects used in the movie than the movie itself, which is nice. Also, there are some short clips shot with special cameras that show you just what real bullets do to various items, and how those movie explosions look. And then there's an isolated music soundtrack, a very nice touch, and something I'd like to see used more often.