Shambler

I agree that they probably wouldn't care. I am also aware that you are aware that it's illegal.

So what are you arguing at this point? Do you want me to agree that they wouldn't care? Fine, yes, they probably wouldn't care.

I'm not going to argue illegal vs immoral because that's a cesspool with no possible resolutions within. 

I don't think that anyone here really meant to say that id has no IP on those textures or it is not a copyright violation to use them or anything alike.
Yes, it's their IP.
Yes, it's their copyrighted work.
No, they don't care.
So why don't we simply enjoy using such amazing work in our maps. 

from what I know about copyright/patent law, that requirement (chasing up infringements upon notice) is relevant only to patents not IP. 

some guy had made a UT map using quake3 textures and he (or his host) was asked to take it down by the ID software

Sock had made a texture set that used a bunch of ID`s q3 textures variations/alterations and he was asked to remove download link for that set by ID (either directly or via PQ host dunno) 

I didn't stole the textures: I paid the game... Also, if Id didn't want people to reuse their hi-res textures, they would have protected a little bit more than just putting it in .pk3 that can be open with WinZip...

As well, the comparison with the car is not good: I paid the car !!!!

Nevermind... 

... when you've paid your car, nobody can blame you if you are doing "tuning" on it... maybe people just laugh because it is ridiculous...

so, no problem for me: I don't want to sell my "tuned" car :P 

Stop digging. 

you should open your mind.... 

Speeds: original UT was in direct competition with Q3 game at the time, so that is probably why ID wanted the mapper to take it down.

Any new map with D3 textures on the way? Thanks 

"you should open your mind...."

Imagination and fantasy won't change laws. They are what they are. 

you totally dont get
please read the goddaman license for the game and the tools!
you only buy the copy of the game to play - you cant re-destribute eiher the game or any part of it

Doom III\Docs\License.txt
scroll for:

2. Permitted New Creations.

Read it please. Open your mind and try to grasp the concept of copyright and licensing 

And Q3 texture modification by Sock were in competition with what? (and that was like 3-4 years past q3 release too) IDs position of such things is very clear.

Any new map with D3 textures on the way?
yeah, sure: http://www.doom3world.org/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=54 

but this really should go to GA. I think there is still plenty to say about this map :) 

*chop* *chop* *chop*

Intellectual property is an oxymoron. Get over it. 

...priceless! 

"Intellectual property is an oxymoron. Get over it."

This is what people say until they have some. When that happens it suddenly becomes very important. :) 

OK, fine, I read it, and I conclude that everybody herer now have all to erase his HD that contains Quake and all the fancy mods developed onto original Quake ! As well, for all the textures, etc... as customization is prohibited...
Interesting :P 

Many people download or make music mixsets and even though that is a much more EVIL thing no-one cares. It's been a grey zone forever and people like it that way.

Some of the hot tempered posts might be due to people's job in the industry? 

"Some of the hot tempered posts might be due to people's job in the industry?"

No, it's more because people's attitudes towards the issue are wrong. It may be a grey area and maybe nobody prosecutes over it but it IS important. It's like when open source people blow gaskets over GPL abuses. 

Willem:
This is what people say until they have some. When that happens it suddenly becomes very important. :)

We inhabit a situation in which IP is clearly inane, yet, we as creators of IP need the artificial monopoly of IP to get money and survive.

So, what I'm suggesting is that we don't pretend IP is morally OK, regardless of how we feel we need to use it at this present moment. 

inertia

I'm not getting into this argument as it's even more of a cesspool than the original one. However, to suggest that people's creations deserve no protection under the law is insulting at best. 

This is straying even further from the original topic, but I think it's pretty well accepted (even in the legal community) that software EULA's are unconscionable and unlikely to hold up in court.

This is not to say that we shouldn't respect the developer's rights, but EULA's are getting more and more ridiculous as time goes on. Nobody reads them or takes them seriously.

I just love the fact that they all pretty much boil down to this: you don't own the product you just paid us money for.. you've bought the right to use it for a while, in the limited way set out in the agreement, but you can't do anything else with it, or resell it, or modify it, etc... oh, by the way, we can remove access or change the product at any time without prior notice or consent.

Sorry for going off on a tangent... 

when someone creates something new, it should be respected, and he should be compensated and given credit.

This map probably doesn't contradict any of the above, it's more of a tribute, it's not blatantly exploiting doom3 stuff, taking away glory or income or anything.

Since the digital world enabled making copies so easily without destroying the original, the laws that have been built around the traditional ownership issues have been lagging. I don't know yet of any good concept inventions (patents come to mind as one system but it's too heavy for this stuff) to ensure some benefit to the creator of an easily copyable thing. 

Can you pls somebody link/send me the q3 radiant editor? I am probably too lame to google it, thanks. icq 259689233, email jardomir.b@seznam.cz, thanks a lot, sorry. 

http://www.qeradiant.com