Thanks Bloughsburg. It can be a tough job sorting through all the bits and pieces scattered here and there to find THE thing that you need. Sometimes it's a lot easier and faster to just ask straight up. Kudos for the links, I'm sure they're gonna be tons of help. 

I understand what you mean, I was intially frustrated by the scavenger hunt one has to follow. At the same time, future mods and such are updated quite well.

In terms of AD or Quoth one just has to look at the entity definition file or a dedicated website tutorial for the latter.

If you need assistance, don't hesitate to ask and we will try to help you. Always nice to see new potential mappers! 

I'm not very hopeful with this one, to be honest. It seems like everything in Quake obscures monster vision.

Basically, is there a way to make the quoth func_breakable "invisible" to monsters? I want an eddie to be able to shoot at the player through the windows of a room he's in, but of course he won't since he thinks they're solid walls.

I'm pretty confident this can't be helped, but I'd love to be proven otherwise. 

 

AD can do this just fine, but then you don't have an Eddie. 

with func illusionaries/trigger_once and health set on them/killtargeting alpha func_walls and some clever scripting which is prone to breaking for speedrunners and the like.
But i'm sure it can be done even in quoth. 

What's with everybody and their aunts adding Edies in their maps? The dude belongs in Q2, he doesn't fit at all in Q1 IMHO, not even in base maps. Quoth's lovecraftian monsters do, but they seriously need to be better animated. 

I like to use him as a mini-boss or key guardian. He fits well if you imagine the enforcer's and grunts engineering a secret weapon or so. Anything can fit if you build the story.

What I like about Eddie is that he can fit not only in Base but also otherworldly maps. 

Centroid
Armagon 

is a weird enemy, can't say I am too fond of him. 

It's true he's a tough opponent, I just wish he got a more suitable design that doesn't make me think I'm suddenly fighting Stroggs. BTW, it's Edie with one D, like the character in Iron Maiden cover artworks - his red optical device comes straight from Stranger in a Strange Land.

@Preach Yeah, I don't feel like these two look very quakey either. I'm more for full-on lovecraftian. If I get good enough at mapping, I'm thinking about making a full mod that would go this way rather than cyber. 

I'll admit that Ol' Ed is more "strogg" than many Quake monsters, but to me that seems preferable to including Shamblers or other enemies of that kind when making a base or otherwise "futuristic" map.

Besides, gore/horror is not exactly new to that theme. The Grunt is not obviously mutilated, but his texture has a decent amount of blood spatter and his lore claims that he's a mind-controlled drone of sorts.

Anyway, about that func_illusionary... 

The thing is that Quake's a very broad church, and if you have very specific ideas about what you like, you shouldn't be surprised if people fail to conform to it. 

Well, i guess my other post beforehand vanished into the ether.

I'll simplify it anyway. Is there any way to remove a func_illusionary? I tried giving it a targetname and killtargeting or targetting it, to no avail... 

func_illusionary is converted to a static entity when the map loads, so it can't be killtargeted. 

Yet another roadblock :( are there any other brushes that monsters can see through? 

"that seems preferable to including Shamblers or other enemies of that kind when making a base or otherwise "futuristic" map." I beg to differ. Since base maps are overrun by Shub's forces who teleported in, all of the Quake bestiary can fit in. Granted, Shamblers are supposed to be some kind of high ranking officers in Shub's army and generals usually send cannon fodder on the frontline instead of going themselves, but base theme was designed to be used only as the starting point of an episode. We should move this discussion elsewhere, we're cluttering the thread with off-topic. 

You can use a func_illusionary and then change its classname to mapobject_custom. This allows it to be killtargeted.

Sage words from Preach the almighty.

I used this very trick on the jam 7 entry! 

Thanks for the tip! I'm away from my development PC at the moment, but i'll test and report back when I can.

Mugwump, I'll post in General Abuse I suppose. 

I've found plenty of useful info thanks to your links but this one eludes me: how do I set a brush to nodraw in TB 1.16? 

Well, it's almost there. The monster sees the player through the mapobject_custom, but they don't seem interested in shooting them. They just try and path to them, which involves essentially rubbing their face up against the glass pitifully.

How did monsters handle your trick Bloughsburgh? I'd be interested to hear if they were more functional than mine. 

It seems to be caused by the trigger_once, if I move/remove it the monster will behave properly. :( 

I have committed the mortal sin... Maphacks in a mod. But hey, i'll take anything at this point.

My solution to my own issue was to use this wonderful guide (which I am sure everyone is already familiar with) to build a trigger which activates whenever it's touched by anything, such as a nail from the monster or any other projectile, as well as when it's physically touched by the player.

This allowed me to work without the health value, which was what was making the trigger stop monsters from shooting.

Sadly, the trigger isn't activated by hitscan weapons such as the shotgun or lightning gun. I don't suppose anyone has any advice on fixing this, or will i have to settle for this in my map? I could bear it, it's already mostly working after all... 

Mug, are you referring to the SKIP texture perhaps?
Any face with the SKIP texture will not be drawn.