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I thought a trio of themed threads about other entertainment media might be good. If you're not interested, please just ignore the thread and pick some threads that interest you from here: http://celephais.net/board/view_all_threads.php
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Nitin
#1581 posted by . on 2006/08/25 18:40:39
Somewhat, but not nearly as tinged as this Warner Bros replica.
#1582 posted by nitin on 2006/08/26 18:26:04
Munich - this one really depends on what you go in expecting. From all the reviews at time of release about even-handedness and political arguments being debated, I was expecting something else.
As a standard genre-thriller, it's pretty damn good. Excellently directed and written in that regard. As anything more than that, it is not very convincing. Poorly directed and averagely written and there's a handful of truly misjudged scenes in that regard.
Also, the "accents" are very distracting at first, but once the genre plot starts, you dont really notice them because of the quality of the direction/writing.
Overall, it's quite good, despite me expecting something different.
7.5/10
Munich
#1583 posted by HeadThump on 2006/08/26 19:38:16
is a movie I would have to see again to make a
solid assessment.
As a standard genre-thriller, it's pretty damn good. Excellently directed and written in that regard. As anything more than that, it is not very convincing.
That statement I'm a bit intrigued by. I felt the same about parts of the movie as being unconvincing because of the usual Speilburg manipulation (of story elements I mean, not the politics) while other parts felt like the screenwriter got an inside scoop on how that game was played in the seventies.
For instance, the temperment of the French Anarchist in the movie who played the different sides during the cold war like Pagannini played a violin felt dead on perfect. It made you want to sip some wine in the South of France with the old man and listen to stories about the grand old days of the Resistance.
One scene where the Israelis and Palestinian groups are sharing a pad felt too pointed as a moralistic statement, especialy when Fienes and the PLO guy give speaches about their different views of the homeland. This sort of thematic excess is like marking a few pages of a novel with a yellow highlighter and writing in the margins, 'this is the point of it all.'
Quite distracting.
There were flaws of the anachronistic sort. For instance, the explanation given of why the PLO leader was a protected asset of the CIA while in London. In the pre-Church Committee era, self preservation would have been a far more convincing motive to keep out of North America than cash.
But I agree with you, as a genre spy thriller, this was real good stuff. You wont forget that honeypot's fate anytime soon.
Headthump
#1584 posted by nitin on 2006/08/26 20:14:12
yep, agree on the usual spielberg sentimentality creeping in some scenes and detracting (the climax of the 72 flashback intercutting with something bana is doing in particular).
That scene at the pad you refer to is also another one I agree on, it's not a bad scene in itself but, given the genre stuff it's surrounded by, it's out of place.
The end scene between rush and bana is far more effective, if only because of the background it is shot against.
#1585 posted by nitin on 2006/09/01 07:26:50
Casshern (2004) - Well I guess there's definitely a first time for everything. I know I can be a bit harsh with scoring but this deserves nothing better than a big fat 0.
Quite possibly the worst thing I have ever seen, certainly nothing else comes to mind immediately. This is emabrassing in every department.
Oh, if you're still wondering, it's a Japanese film based on a manga about a sort of super warrior created who fights against an army of mutants in the future. Its main "attraction" (and I use that term very very loosely) is that its shot completely against green screen with CGI used for background, much like Sin City and Sky Captain. It's as bad a visual mess as you can get though.
0/10
#1586 posted by nitin on 2006/09/01 18:14:27
Ricky Gervais Live 1 Animals - Disappointing is probably the best way to put it. Sure, there were funny bits and Gervais' delivery made the material better but I thought most of it wasnt all that great, and definitely less clever than his tv stuff. I suppose thats a norm for standup comedy but given that most of it would have been preprepared, I dont count that as an excuse.
There is one 10 min sequence that is particularly good but the rest is probably why I dont like stand up comedu much - cheap jokes, with lots of sewaring to cover up for the lack of funniness.
5.5/10
Ricky Gervais Live 2 Politics - Very similar to theabove, but I would rate it slightly lower as its even less funnier.
5/10
Shoot the Piano Player (1960) - Truffaut's followup to The 400 Blows and he obviously wanted to make something lighter and more Snakes on a Plane.
But this comes across as if he didnt now what he really wanted and is an unsuccesful freeform exercise that is part film noir, part drama and part comedy, and neither part is successful in its execution. The freeform style does result in some great scenes, but overall I found it corny and silly.
4.5/10
Walk the Line - This is an opinion on the movie, I dont care for the music of Johnny cash (although surpisingly that element is not the main focus).
Anyway, I found it to be a fairly pedestrian affair, except that both Phoenix and Witherspoon were very impressive (even more so when they were on the screen together). Any scene without them, however, felt very hollow and average.
Phoenix gets more of the 'big' scenes but he does pull off his character quite well, without really going too histrionic. Witherspoon I found more impressive because she probably had 1-2 'big' scenes but her acting was great even when she wasnt doing these.
Also, good to see a biopic that manages to avoid most the trappings of the genre (although admittedly the start ticks all the boxes, as does the father/son relationship and the episodic nature). At least, they focused on the person, rather than what he did.
6/10
And Just To Keep It Going
#1587 posted by nitin on 2006/09/02 01:14:46
The Girl on the Bridge (1998) - well, this is a bad movie. And it tries so hard, that it's laughably bad in some scenes. Patrice Leconte's hugely successful french movie is set in a bizarre fantasy world passing off as real life and the plot concerns a girl saved from jumping off a bridge by a knife thrower who offers her an alternative to jumping : become his assistant, and therefore get a bit of a kick out of life before it may or may not end at the end of one of his knives.
Shot in black and white, presumably to give it that otherworld feel I was talking about before (although this could have been achieved via colour, so I dont see the point since there is no other reason to do the black and white stuff here). It does have another great performance from Daniel Auteiul who somehow manages to play a very difficult character quite well, but I found Vanessa Paradis' character quite annoying.
And the script is embarassing really, barring one or two scenes.
4/10
The African queen (1951) - Bogart's a gun in my eyes and John huston has made some great films, but this was absolutely terrible. I have still yet to understand why Katherine Hepburn was held in such high regard because once again I found her performance to be quite phony and unconvincing.
The script is not very good, and Bogart is the only reason to keep watching. He does well with what he's given, but even he has some cringeworthy scenes that he cannot rescue.
3.5/10
Elevator to the Gallows (1959) - This was Louis Malle's first movie, and whilst it doesnt make my top 10 like Au Revoir Les Enfants, it's still a great film.
Terrific noir thriller about a couple who plan a crime that we see, but they dont, fall apart piece by piece. It unfurls its details expertly and then it all comes together so deftly that it's hard not to be impressed with the script and the confident, assured direction. Jeanne Moreau is great as one half of the couple too. Miles davis' jazz score also works well, and it's shot very nicely.
8.5/10
Same Here
#1588 posted by HeadThump on 2006/09/02 04:19:26
I have still yet to understand why Katherine Hepburn was held in such high regard because once again I found her performance to be quite phony and unconvincing.
She represented a 'strong-willed, independent woman' at the very time (post-war) that feminism was becoming ascendent, so her lack of acting abilaty was overlooked and that distracting speach impedement she possessed that some people would call an accent was somehow tolerated. Gawd, that Ma&Pa Kettle metalic hiss of a voice hurts my ears just thinking about it even though I haven't seen a film she was in in over a decade.
Headthump
#1589 posted by nitin on 2006/09/02 04:53:30
I know it doesnt mean much but 14 oscar noms ?
So someone obviously thought she had some acting ability. Some of it was there in philadelphia story but I cant say I've really seen it.
You Are Right,
#1590 posted by HeadThump on 2006/09/02 05:05:16
I know it doesnt mean much but 14 oscar noms ?
It doesn't mean much.
Rest Of That Got Cut Of In A Cut'n'paste
#1591 posted by HeadThump on 2006/09/02 05:16:53
One of those movie perfromances she was nominated
for was in the African Queen which you too would
agree was not as good as its reputation. I too agree that the only entertainment value it had was in Bogart's salty performance.
Time tends to weed out of the mix those who were overrated in their time due to social trends that have since waned. Hepburn is a prime candidate.
Headthump
#1592 posted by nitin on 2006/09/02 21:40:11
what I was getting at was that she couldnt even put in a good performance. By that I mean that people like Bogart, Cary grant etc werent the greatest of actors but they were definitely able to put in a good performance. Hepburn didnt even achieve that in the movies I've seen her in (closest was Philadelphia Stoy like I sad).
The Inside Man - intelligent, well made movie that, apart from a few missteps, is a nice meld between a genre caper film and a Spike Lee film. Denzel Washington is good in an extension of his role from Devil in a Blue Dress and Clive Owen is well cast as the mastermind bank robber.
It's well scripted with occasionally some great dialogue (especially when referencing movies from the 70's), and the overall plot is fairly reasonable (although there's some plot holes but they arent major enough to detract too much). I thought the final act was a bit rushed and clumsily handled, but apart from that it's solid piece of work that's well made (nice use of the strobing camera too by Lee).
One thing that did stand out was the score, works in some places but is very badly matched in others I felt. Also, was a bit surprised to see Lee using a Bollywood song to open and close the movie. But, at least he picked one of the best tracks in recent Bollywood history (although it was remixed)
7.5/10
Okay,
#1593 posted by HeadThump on 2006/09/02 22:50:57
I might be letting my strong dislike of the person get in the way of our communication. But in this case, it is a person who never really gets into the character of a script from several movies I have seen her in (I haven't seen Philadelphia Story), it is always Katherine Hepburn being Katherine Hepburn barely bothering to interpert her lines. Contrast to most actresses who are more stars than actresses, from Audrey to Julia Roberts; they do assume characters and don't hender the narrative by their very presence. At least it is a rare occasion when they do, and when they do so they don't get praised for it.
I guess, when you made a similar point in the review of African Queen, it hit an old nerve. ;)
BTW, Inside Man is my favorite flick so far this year. Clive Owen is the man to watch out for.
Oh, And The Scene
#1594 posted by HeadThump on 2006/09/02 22:55:37
with him and the kid in the vault playing the video game is pure gold. A rare indulgent kind of scene that doesn't advance the plotline, but does much to reveal the nature of Owen's character.
#1595 posted by nitin on 2006/09/03 02:28:38
yeah owen should be bigger than he is, has talent, looks and charisma.
#1596 posted by nitin on 2006/09/04 02:34:57
Proof - Not the recent movie with Gwyneth playing some mathematician, but the 1992 Aussie film with Hugo Weaving and Russell Crowe. Weaving plays a blind man who doesnt trust people describing how things appear, and takes photos as 'proof' of what's there. He becomes friends with Crowe and trusts the latter enough to describe his photos to him, thereby gaining a view of the world that is real according to his proof.
Nice premise, and it starts off great, but as is the problem with most aussie films, it knows where it wants to get to, it just doesnt know how to get there. So we get a less impressive middle act and an unconvincing final act. Weaving and Crwe are both very good in their roles, and its nicely directed but the script could have used more polishing.
6.5/10
There's Something About Mary - I remember seeing this at the cinema when it came out, so that was about year 12. I also remember finding it hilarous at the time and havent seen it since.
Anyway, I thought I'd revisit it to see if I still like it given how much my taste has changed. And while it's not as hilarious as I found it back then, it's still pretty good. Nothing matches the initial twenty minutes I dont think, but it's still an easy watch for the whole length. There's still a bit of Ben Still overkill, but not as muh some of his recent stuff thankfully.
Matt Dillon really works for me here. Actually, most the cast is fairly decent.
7/10
#1597 posted by nitin on 2006/09/08 22:38:22
Dangerous Liasions (1987) - fairly good, but nothing great. What carries it is two excellent performances from Glenn Close and John Malkovich. Close is great as the Marquise, icy and restrained and changing moods readily. Malkovich's performance is a bit self-conscious but he delivers his dialogue fantastically. It also helps that he has some great lines to deliver.
However, the self consciousness in his performance makes the final act a bit unconvincing. The script is partly to blame for that but so is Malkovich. Also, I thought the supporting actors were not very good, although admittedly they had limited material to work with. Both uma Thurman and Michelle Pfeiffer came across as stiff and uncomfortable in their roles.
7/10
Open Your Eyes (1997) - Vanilla Sky was a terrible film, but the original version by Amelio Amenabar is a first rate drama/thriller. I cant recall Vanilla Sky well enough to remember whethr it was indeed a shot for shot remake but I do remember enough to see that it kept most of the original intact. But, it all works so much better here. And its success can be put to the following factors I think :
- Amenabar doesnt resort to stupidly insulting exposition in the final scene
- Tom Cruise was horribly miscast
- Penelope Cruz is more comfortable in her native language and can actually put in a performance
- Moving the movie to new York killed the mood and atmosphere preset in the original
- Vanilla Sky had an awful soundtrack
- Most importantly, Vanilla Sky had really bad dialogue in key scenes, which wasnt present in this version ("I'm blowing your mind, arent I" comes immediately to mind).
I still think the occasional scene doesnt fit well and some of the scenes included simply for symbolism's sake were distracting, but overall this is very good.
7.5/10
Lost Highway (1997) - The first thing that comes to mind is how much it does resemble Mulholland Drive. Same patented lucid noir style, virtually the same general plot (although different structure), and similar scenes of self indulgence.
With that much in common, you have to compare and I would say that Mulholland Drive is the better film because although this is a bit more focused and probably just as comprehensible (in fact I would say that although this leaves a little more to piece together for the viewer, its esier to follow because of the struture), the buildup in Mulholland Drive was more intriguing than the buildup in this one. And, generally, Lynch films are all about the buildup to me, the endings are usually unimportant.
Its also well directed, Lynch again making great use of sound and music to create a foreboding atmosphere, but its also quite self indulgent in a few scenes. If some of these scenes had been trimmed, I think it would have been better. I also didnt care for the soundtrack (not the original score but where music from bands was used), it just didnt fit well with what was on screen.
Worth a watch, but I think he repeated it more successfully with Mulholland Drive.
6.5/10
Elizabeth - horribly paced, badly written and poorly directed. Acting is above average but all involved have been better. I found it to be a tedious mess.
Also, looked a little cramped in 1:85:1, might hav been better served in 2:35:1.
3.5/10
You, Me & Nitin
#1598 posted by . on 2006/09/08 22:58:28
Y'know, we are like polar opposites. I love Vanilla Sky, and I actually like most of the soundtrack. I have to see the original, though.
A Bold Statement Indeed!
#1599 posted by HeadThump on 2006/09/09 00:14:17
My interest is peaked as you've just stated in a single post that Lynch and Crowe both who are known for their individual ear for music made lousy choices in these movies under review.
I'm not saying you are wrong, because Vanilla Sky was a terrible movie that lacked in everything (pacing, plot, continuity, actors that meshed) so I don't remember the soundtrack at all, and I have never seen Lost Highway sober to really judge it, but I do recall it has a really good Bowie tune on it.
It also has Rammstein on the soundtrack, a group that only reinforces my belief that only American and British bands can play metal without sounding like silly cheesepuffs.
Of the two movies, Lost Highway is the only one I'm likely to see again, so I was wondering about the particular scenes you found the music a distraction instead of adding to the ambiance.
Oh, And Sorry, Phait
#1600 posted by HeadThump on 2006/09/09 00:28:19
I shot a favorite movie of yours
down, but I just didn't buy into it on any level :(
Phait/headthump
#1601 posted by nitin on 2006/09/09 00:34:09
phait, well at least that might make it easier for both of us to know what stuff to avoid :)
headthump,
I'm not saying the tunes are bad, just that they really didnt fit with what was on screen I thought. NIN's also in there but also used in a way I found distracting.
Anyway, scenes in particular were anything involving Bill Pullman working out a bit of the mystery towards the end and also second half scenes when he attacks people.
Headthump:
#1602 posted by bear on 2006/09/09 04:52:24
I think you forgot the swedes and some others! (or at least I'd like to think so)
Oh And...
#1603 posted by bear on 2006/09/09 04:53:50
..even if there's a bunch of good metal from the US it's a land with a very high cheesepuff ratio in my book.
I Forgot The Aussies
#1604 posted by HeadThump on 2006/09/09 07:39:33
good metal bands come out of there, even if you exclude that band of Scots for being expats instead of natives, they give good metal.
As for the Swedes -- well, I tried some tunes from previous recommendations on the Music forum, and those bands sound like incarnations of Spinal Tap.
The cheese puff ratio in the US lowers significantly when you take the eighties pop hairband thing out of the mix.
Music is very competitive here. Every scene has bands of extreme musical abilaty, equal to the likes of Tool or Living color in muscicianship, but they don't get any airplay.
I've been to shows in Boston/New York/DC/Chapel Hill/Athens Ga./Miami/
Nashville/New Orleans and Austin Texas checking out the metal/rock scenes -- if Azaghal is among the best bands coming off the Continent -- bless your heart for trying, but it is not in the same league.
#1605 posted by nitin on 2006/09/10 07:21:45
Bob le Flambeur (1955) - One of Jean Pierre Melville's early films, and considered to be one of his best, but I couldnt really see why. It's technically half a Melville film really, with a very un-Melville first half that is quite leisurely and meandering. The second half is much more in line with what he normally does, and is very tight and precise. Worth a watch just for that.
I believe this was remade as The Good Thief in 2002 with Nick Nolte playing the title character. I havent seen that version but there's definitely things that could be improved upon.
6.5/10
In a Lonely Place (1950) - I have absolutely no idea why this isnt more well known, not only does it contain Bogart's best acting (although he's arguably given better performances) but it's also made by Nicholas Ray, who is generally only ever associated with Rebel Without a cause.
Anyway, this is a great film with Bogart playing a self-destructive screenwriter and Gloria Grahame matching him very well as a neighbour/muse.
It's a also a fine example to demonstrate that film noir was not just a genre for crime films or detective movies. This is pure film noir, but is primarily a drama interested in its two main characters.
Excellently directed, great dialogue, there's hardly any histrionics, and it follows though to the only ending that should have happened.
Minor nitpicks would be a bit of dodgy acting from Grahame in a few scenes, and a forgettable score but apart from that, it's great.
8.5/10
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