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DOOM 4 IS GOLD (OMG)!
<Daz_> two minutes until were all DOOMed
<Daz_> and Marty Stratton can let out that huge fart hes been holding in during all the promo spots

Doom 4, aka DOOM (2016), is finally out:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/379720/

Figured that a clean break might be a good idea, considering how the other thread has became monstrously huge and full of Bad Posting.

The questions at large:

- Is it a success for id, or the bitter end?
- Is the final boss a sprite of Marty Strapon's head? Or is it Willits?
- Will Friction spend another 12 years on a SnapMap?
- How many more words will it make Kinn add to his Trouser Thesaurus?
- Has than's wishlist for DOOM 4 from over 8 years ago come true?

*more enemies active at once
*better, more satisfying weapons
*COOP < most important thing
*larger environments
*more evilness
*more varied environments
*better level design
*no cutscenes
*heavier monsters used early on
*no shitty zombie commandos that can do somersaults and backflip behind cover. I don't mind the mutant ones with whip arms etc. but the regular z-sector ones were so annoying and not fun to fight.
*better AI on the more significant hellspawn creatures.
*mutant owl neck syndrome toned down
*monsters have finishing moves when they kill you, like in the first doom 3 leaked shakycam footage where the hell-knight eats the player's head. That kind of thing.
*the ability to use a flashlight and proper gun at the same time.
* No shit story involving an evil scientist. I can't believe they didn't realise how amazingly cheesy this idea was.
* Don't give it to Raven to develop.
* Properly fucking visceral weapons. Remeber the super shotgun in Doom 2? Fucks sake. Look at the weapons in Half-Life 2. Listen to the sounds they make. Take notes.


Anyway, discuss DOOM 4...
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And also, the remote detonation upgrade for the rocket launcher is perfect as you can detonate the rocket when it's just behind them. 
E3 News 
So they managed to make me completely uninterested in the new Quake, but the upcoming changes to Doom 4 will probably get me to buy the game. 
 
What changes? 
Changes 
More game modes in multiplayer (including traditional deathmatch without stupid "loadouts"), Hell tileset and additional doodads in Snapmap, etc 
 
Classic DM and improved snapmap stuff (including Hell) seems like one of the better things in bethesdas conference. Shame we didnt get more Doom SP 
Tried Playing The Demo 
Can confirm my laptop can only run this at 10/5 fps with constant slowdown at the lowest settings, and mouse smoothing is so fucking wierd I can still feel it now.
I actually have a PC with a new graphic card, but it's been sitting here for two years because my power core isn't powerful enough to withstand it. I need one that goes either 800V or 850V.
Not that I need to upgrade that much since I rarely play games anymore (and the most recent game I played was Bioshock 2, on said PC but without the shiny "new" graphic card), and even less for D44m. I only wanted to check it out because hey free sample why not 
You Are Imagining Things 
First, it's a PSU, not a "power core".
Second, it's watts, not volts.

Third, you don't need anything even remotely close to 700W (let alone more then that) unless you have at least 2 or more videocards in SLI mode. 
Also Tried The Demo 
Not sure why they didn't have one in the first place!

Wow, great impression! Super fun and I am definitely purchasing it during the Steam Summer Sale. 
 
Interesting. The Xbox One version runs flawlessly, and remember that is a dumbed down Windows 10 on rather old hardware... Maybe there are other reasons for the framerate drop down. 
Well It's A 2013 Laptop Not Really Designed To Run Modern Games 
UT3 runs kind of okay-ish with small framedrops there and there and the thing kind of heats up when I run it, making my room feel like a giant toaster.
Maybe it's not a good unit of mesurement but I'll take that as a "it can run 7th gen game okay but don't think about going further than that" 
Well 
what actually is it? 
I Used My Laptop For Running D44M 
While my PC is gathering dust because I need a new PSU to support that graphic card I was given to, which has been collecting dust ever since I got it 2 years ago. 
Co-op 
Is interesting only when the two or more players do not start the map from the same location, but join later I the map for a final boss or horde fight

Else it is pointless 
 
Interesting. The Xbox One version runs flawlessly, and remember that is a dumbed down Windows 10 on rather old hardware...

Console vs PC API overhead. Lack of direct access to hardware on PCs. Easier to optimize for consoles because all XB1s have the same hardware so an optimization for one XB1 will hold good for all of them; likewise with PS4; definitely not the case for PC.

You just can't do a meaningful comparison between consoles and PCs if all you look at is hardware generations, clock speeds, etc. Consoles are just able to get more out of weaker hardware than PCs.

The Vulkan version, when/if it ships, should resolve a lot of this. 
Okay So Played A Bit. 
+ plays very smoothly, proper fast action
+ mantling is really well done
+ the finishing moves are not annoying if you turn the indication off
+ amount of blood is good
+ intro to the game is nicely done
+ mars bit is great, feels like proper style

- I actually find the runspeed a bit high, it feels like I'm bouncing off walls a bit
- forced arenas are bland
- not seen many secrets
- insides are a bit over-coloured-lighting

It does feel a lot like what D3 should have been. So far. 
Okay So. 
I'm still feeling that if Doom3 had never existed, Id would have 100% credibility in the Doom franchise. This definitely seems to combine classic FPS gameplay with modern touches well.

I really appreciate the amount of inspiring outside sections they have in, definitely keeps it fresh. 
 
Doom 3's biggest problem is that it's called Doom 3. That's the kind of baggage you don't want to be carrying, had far too much to live up to. 
While This, So Far... 
...seems to wear it's "DOOM 2016 version" mantle with a certain amount of pride. 
It's Not Too Bad Is It 
Still didn't finish the last couple of levels, went back to playing Natural Selection 2... 
 
kind of disappointing finale I found. Somewhat abrupt, with some cool stuff not panning out, or only hinted at, perhaps for possible expansion packs. 
 
kind of disappointing finale I found. Somewhat abrupt, with some cool stuff not panning out, or only hinted at, perhaps for possible expansion packs. 
Monster Introductions 
I almost wet myself during Revenant and Summoner introductions. How fucking cool. 
Monster Introductions 
<MID GAME SPOILERS>

The Revenant was pretty awesome and I got pretty darned excited when I realised how large they are. The Baron of Hell was pretty crazy, as another two spawn just as the guts of the first are hitting the ground. Didn't see that coming.

I would have liked a few more monsters getting introduced after the Barons though, I don't remember much new after that... Lost Souls? Pinkies? Spectres I guess. 
 
They just announced an update that brings an option to make the guns centered. Now that's a nod to classic Doom I didn't expect. 
 
Looks a bit silly with the hand holding the guns though no.

What about campaign coop instead of some silly arse feature like that ? 
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