#15262 posted by ptoing on 2015/08/20 18:14:44
Feel free to upload a work in progress of your .map and I can have a look at it and let you know what might be problematic.
Thank You!
That's very kind of you, but at the moment I'm still too embarrassed to show anything I've made.
I might take you up on the offer when things look less messy ... but that's going to take a while at my pace.
World Brushes Z-figiting
#15264 posted by ericw on 2015/08/20 19:10:22
shouldn't happen. Here's a test:
http://imgur.com/a/McOtQ#Ce5LmYE
qbsp has a step where it CSG-subtracts each brush against each other brush. I think they're done in map file order, so the first brush I added there clips away the corner of the second brush.
The gl_zfix cvar in quakespasm was pushing each face of bmodels (so func_wall/func_door, etc.) out by a small amount, but it's disabled now becuase it caused arifacts making some secrets visible, and caused mappers to put z-fighting in their maps inadvertently.
#15265 posted by ptoing on 2015/08/20 19:14:46
No problem :)
Eric
#15266 posted by ptoing on 2015/08/20 19:17:10
That is still kinda bad practise though, right? Plopping worldspawn brushes together like that. Esp. since you do not want to keep track of which brushes were placed earlier.
So in most cases like that you should still cut one of the brushes up into smaller parts, right?
#15267 posted by ericw on 2015/08/20 19:36:56
yeah, it's best to avoid - messy map file. But if it's hard to avoid overlapping world brushes, the compiler will deal with it.
Thanks for the extensive responses, ericw and ptoing.
#15269 posted by ptoing on 2015/08/20 20:22:48
That's what this place is here for :D
Warped Textures On Irregular Faces
I've noticed that on some angled brush-faces, the brick texture I'm using is warped -- as in, the vertical lines on the texture (the short part of the bricks) are diagonal instead of vertical. No amount of changing the texture angle/size/X/Y-offset seems to help...
Is there any way of fixing/avoiding this? I'm using TrenchBroom 2 on Linux.
#15271 posted by ptoing on 2015/08/21 02:46:03
I dunno about TB2, but Jackhammer has very good texture alignment tools and there is a Linux build, so maybe worth looking into that.
#15272 posted by Rick on 2015/08/21 02:54:30
I *think* that's something the "Valve 220" texture alignment fixes. And I *think* TrenchBroom supports it.
At the moment I use Netradiant, but I seem to remember somebody here sending me a map a year or so ago when I was trying TB1 that showed how it looked, and I remember being surprised how much better it was at aligning textures on angled and rotated surfaces.
Make a backup copy of your map if you try something like that, it may not be reversible.
Viewpos
#15273 posted by Rick on 2015/08/21 09:30:14
I can't believe I've been mapping all this time and just discovered this. Makes positioning info_intermission easy.
Turn on noclip and find a good view. Open the console and enter the "viewpos" command (no quotes). Write down the numbers:
(origin) mangle
Enter these in your map for an info_intermission - Done.
Newbie
#15274 posted by SleepwalkR on 2015/08/21 10:01:34
That's a result of the way textures are projected onto faces in Quake. Your only option is to use the Valve 220 map format, which TB2 supports. However there's no conversion function yet, but I could implement one.
Valve 220
Thanks very much, ptoing, Rick and SleepwalkR, for your responses.
SleepwalkR, how does one go about using the Valve 220 format? I can't see any option for enabling it. Is it enabled by default? Or is it something one specifies when compiling?
You Must Choose
#15276 posted by SleepwalkR on 2015/08/21 14:27:45
when you create a new map. In the game selection dialog, when you select Quake, you see a dropdown list below the game list where you can choose between Standard and Valve 220 map formats.
Thanks For Explaining
Does that mean I'm now stuck with standard format in the current map I'm working on, at least until you implement conversion? D'oh.
I tried opening a new .map in Valve format and copy&paste-ing my current map into the new file, but it doesn't work -- it says
Unable to parse clipboard contents: (line 2, column 1)Expected '(' or ')', but got 'classname'
I'm guessing that's because you can't (currently) copy&paste between the two formats in TB2?
Yeah, That Doesn't Work
#15278 posted by SleepwalkR on 2015/08/21 14:59:23
First, I need to write a converter. Maybe I can squeeze one in tonight, because converting from Standard to Valve 220 is easy. The converse isn't, though.
That Would Rock
FifthElephant
#15280 posted by SleepwalkR on 2015/08/22 00:43:30
You'll be happy to know that the old way to draw brushes is coming back in TB2. You will have to enable the brush tool to do it, but then you can just bang out the brushes by dragging as usual. The new mode is only activated if you hold shift while clicking or dragging.
SW
that does indeed make me happy. Getting the brush mode to work has been a bug-bear of mine though. I've struggled to make brushes in TB2 in 3d view. Also, it would be nice to see a return of the 64x64 unit brush as a starting point when you start working on a new map.
BSP2 And +-4096 Boundary
#15282 posted by necros on 2015/08/22 22:21:02
I was under the impression that BSP2 removed the original +/- 4096 loop boundary but this still happens to me in BSP2 compiled maps. Does it require engine support too? I'm using QS 0.90.1
BSP2 does not remove the 4096^3 boundaries.
#15284 posted by necros on 2015/08/22 22:26:27
ohh whoops, i thought those two were kind the same thing. :S
Caught me by surprise too when I found about it.
#15286 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/08/22 22:41:40
No, the 4096 is tied into the networking protocol and other things I believe. Would be hard to remove. :-/
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