 #14456 While Building It
#14457 posted by mfx on 2017/01/14 00:32:05
compile often. take your time and compare diff setups.
in the end you will get a feel for it.
 Lights
#14458 posted by mjb on 2017/01/14 00:43:04
I am not a pro but try this out:
Place a point light near a light source texture with:
light: 400
wait: 3
After that, test your map and you should notice that the light sources appear to be the source of light.
Now add some fill lighting around dark sections of your map (Darkness and shadows are important so don't go crazy!)
Light: 100 - 200
Delay: 5
*Keep in mind these are just numbers, you'd have to adjust and play around to get to where you want to be*
That should give you a good start. There are many different advanced techniques and better ways to do things depending on the situation but try that out! Like MFX said, you'll just get a feel for it after testing things.
#14459 posted by Naitelveni on 2017/01/14 02:23:35
ok! :)
 Light Me Up
#14460 posted by anonymous user on 2017/01/14 03:54:59
Enlightning Techniques for the masses.
I found this Sock mail i think it is helpful for you:
* Never place symmetrical light sources in a room
* Never use global ambient light, learn to light maps properly
* Place strong light source first before placing additive fill lights
* If a room lacks strong shadows, tone down fill lights
* Consider shadow area contrast when placing source lights
* Understand the advanced features of wait/delay
* Try to keep light/wait values consistent for light source types
* Always sync light entities to actual light sources
* Always Illuminate the primary path
* Light Flicker (style 1) can be useful for focus in a room
* Play with up lights for ceiling detail focus
* Lights can use mangle/angle parameters for directional spotlights
* Lights should always create interesting shadows
* Place strong lights for large shadows, fill lights to soften the edges
* Switchable lights are perfect for creating dynamic detail
* Place identical light sources at the top and bottom of platforms so that when the platform is in both positions it looks right for the light source
Got it? Good.
 Imma Need To CTRL-C/CTRL-V All That
#14461 posted by Mugwump on 2017/01/14 07:44:38
Great tips, guys, thanks! And Eric, thanks for the workaround.
#14462 posted by Mugwump on 2017/01/14 07:46:13
Understand the advanced features of wait/delay
These are a bit cryptic. Is there a tut somewhere?
 Cryptic How?
#14463 posted by xaGe on 2017/01/14 07:49:54
 Those Are Good Tips
#14464 posted by xaGe on 2017/01/14 07:54:42
For the less experienced designers.
 Not Easy To Understand
#14465 posted by Mugwump on 2017/01/14 07:59:09
I gather they have something to do with how far the light reaches and its intensity at the source, but I need to learn how they work.
#14466 posted by skacky on 2017/01/14 12:39:22
 <3 Necros...
#14467 posted by distrans on 2017/01/14 12:50:38
...hehee
 Thanks Skacky!
#14468 posted by Mugwump on 2017/01/14 12:55:41
Makes more sense now. Bookmarked.
#14469 posted by Rick on 2017/01/14 18:48:56
#14470 posted by Mugwump on 2017/01/14 19:59:06
Yes, I already had this pic, but it's not as clear regarding which param does what as Skacky's link. Plus, it doesn't showcase all scenarios. It's still a good immediate reference, though.
#14471 posted by Mugwump on 2017/01/14 20:03:53
If there is a way to edit the first post in a thread, this kind of useful stuff should be "stickied" in the mapping help OP.
#14472 posted by Rick on 2017/01/14 21:35:19
Yes, it could be better, but the top two rows were all I actually made it for.
Notice how the appearance changes with light constant and only delay changed. Then below that the delay is the same but light value is changed. It allowed me to see what those parameters did.
I would actually urge mappers to build a similar map for themselves. Some things are more easily seen if viewed in game, such as just how ridiculously far one light can extend using delay 1.
 14460
#14473 posted by Naitelveni on 2017/01/15 14:58:27
this is good stuff, i've been playing around with the "wait" value and it makes things alot simpler, i no longer place a million lights.
#14474 posted by Newhouse on 2017/01/15 15:30:28
That light test game screenshot, is it using white textures? I want to create own and test different sized room etc.
About this fill lighting, it is not intended to come from "real" light sources (like lamps, flares, fire etc.) But doesn't it look weird if there is bright random ball shaped lights in every corner. How do you blend fill lights professional? Don't know is it possible to give certain areas minlights (well func_wall, maybe it is possible to give the other funcs too). Then again, what is good minlight value even, 25,50,75,100?
Seems like this requires a lot or trying.
Then again, what is good minlight value even, 25,50,75,100?
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 Minlights
#14476 posted by madfox on 2017/01/15 15:33:51
are very pronounced.
A -40 light can dim parts of light 300 to black.
#14477 posted by Newhouse on 2017/01/15 15:36:44
So it seems like answer is.. never use fill lights if possible?
#14478 posted by Kinn on 2017/01/15 15:59:18
But doesn't it look weird if there is bright random ball shaped lights in every corner.
That's not what "fill lights" are.
Fill lights are low brightness and designed to lighten shadows, simulating ambient or bounce light. Before ericw implemented procedural bounce, they were used liberally.
So it seems like answer is.. never use fill lights if possible?
Never use minlight if possible. Minlight is ugly and flat. Fill lights are good. Although now with the bounce functionality, they might not need to be used so much, I haven't really tested the new bounce stuff out though.
 Madfox
#14479 posted by Kinn on 2017/01/15 16:02:51
You seem to be talking about "negative light" - that's not "minlight"
Minlight = "minimum light" =/= "minus light"
#14481 posted by Rick on 2017/01/15 18:13:44
Newhouse,
Those are not textures in the screenshot. That is the actual lightmap. You switch it on and off in game using the console command r_lightmap as seen in the picture.
You can also bind a key to toggle it on and off in your autoexec.cfg
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