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#14292 posted by negke on 2014/08/25 18:10:16
You might also want to check the vore's bbox. It's the same size as ogre, fiend and shambler, but some fgds have it wrong for some reason.
Negke
#14293 posted by Hipshot on 2014/08/25 18:26:45
Thanks, that's why my items kept disappearing, that's a huge difference from the size on the ring inside the editor.
I'll just make sure my items never spawns in small areas like that (this was a secret).
Thanks Lun/ Neg
#14294 posted by Drew on 2014/08/25 20:34:10
Missing Entities Depending On Quake Client?
#14295 posted by Daya on 2014/08/25 22:02:16
Back on my gravelpit map once again.
After filling those damn voids, I've come yet to another problem while testing the map in both Quakespasm and Darkplaces.
Darkplaces loads the skybox while quakespasm doesn't. Darkplaces has a decreased decceleration and shaky viewmodels in the latest quoth release. But Quakespasm has 2 major problems:
The first one being there's been missing entities, as in 2 box of shells, one box of rockets, one box of nails, a quad damage and a rocket launcher (even though they show up nicely in darkplaces).
The second one is the most problematic: while approaching the last building of the map, the world suddenly makes brushes invisible, only shows the upcoming entities (not entity brushes) and mirrors the entire map far ahead.
What the hell's up with that?
Thanks Neggers
#14296 posted by SleepwalkR on 2014/08/25 22:02:40
Vore was in fact incorrect, and some items were missing the bounding box.
Tip For Hipshot
#14297 posted by Preach on 2014/08/25 23:04:39
Hipshot, if you set "developer 1" in console, you'll get a warning message when items fall out of your map. Other warning are emitted as well, it's a handy option while creating a map.
#14298 posted by necros on 2014/08/26 00:37:48
The second one is the most problematic: while approaching the last building of the map, the world suddenly makes brushes invisible, only shows the upcoming entities (not entity brushes) and mirrors the entire map far ahead.
You have gone outsize of +/- 4096 game units. Darkplaces increased this limit, but Quakespasm uses the stock size.
Well That Sucks
#14299 posted by Daya on 2014/08/26 00:51:32
Guess I have to make my map a Darkplaces exclusive for it to work properly.
But what about those missing items (if I get a workaround) and Darkplaces related problems?
Daya
#14300 posted by ericw on 2014/08/26 02:12:35
Should be possible to just "select all" in trenchbroom and re-center the map so it fits in bounds. The map looked easily small enough to fit :-) check the coordinates of brushes in the four corners of the map to get an idea of how much to shift it and which direction.
Items not appearing is probably the same problem hipshot was having - items need more space to spawn. Interesting that dp and qs have different behavior for that.
#14301 posted by metlslime on 2014/08/26 02:19:47
radiant has a visible "edge" of the map in the 2d views, which made it easier to avoid this mistake. I guess in 3d it's hard to show this. TB2 will have 2d views, so this might be a nice feature to add.
#14302 posted by Lunaran on 2014/08/26 04:08:12
This means the smallest possible space they can spawn in is 40x40x64
oh? the padding is that much?
#14303 posted by anonymous user on 2014/08/26 09:32:53
Yes, 4 units on each side (same goes for monsters). Although, to be more correct, the minimum height is 60 as items can spawn on the floor.
GODDAMNIT
#14304 posted by Daya on 2014/08/26 10:57:37
I tried to move the whole map at once, but not only did it made TB crash, but now the map is corrupted (it shows nothing and the console has this in red: "Malformed map file: expected token of type integer number, or decimal number, but found string at line 2629, column 65
".).
All this work go to waste in an instant.
#14305 posted by anonymous user on 2014/08/26 11:04:36
Protip: Backups, autosaves, multiple versions.
#14306 posted by JneeraZ on 2014/08/26 11:28:57
Yes, now we get to have a teaching moment about back ups and file revisions ...
Daya
Well, what's at line 2629, column 65 in the map file?
Silly Me
#14308 posted by Daya on 2014/08/26 11:41:08
I can just download a backup from my mediafire and refix the leaks.
But why in the hell did TB crashed when I was just trying to move everything and how can I center the map if there's no option for it?
Onetruepurple
#14309 posted by Daya on 2014/08/26 11:44:39
"( 1600 -1840 -0 ) ( 1600 -1840 176 ) ( 1552 -1840 -0 ) tech07_1 1.#QNAN 1.#QNAN 1.#QNAN 1.#QNAN 1.#QNAN"
Dafuq
Replace all #QNANs with 0.
SleepwalkR explain yourself!
Another Question
#14311 posted by Daya on 2014/08/26 12:23:46
How can I make monsters drop ammo/weapons? I've seen people comment on it but now how to make it work.
Replaced Every #QNAN With 0...
#14312 posted by Daya on 2014/08/26 13:25:29
...And most of the brushes and entities have moved away to some units, making the map a whole mess.
#14313 posted by JneeraZ on 2014/08/26 13:50:22
"SleepwalkR explain yourself!"
LOL, your software crashed. N00b...
Trenchbroom
#14314 posted by ijed on 2014/08/26 14:36:25
Auto backups every few minutes - look inside your maps folder for a subfolder called 'autosave'.
FYI NAN is 'Not A valid Number' so even though 0 is a valid number, its almost certainly not the right one for that particular coordinate.
Monsters can only drop what they were told to carry by Qc, although Preach might have a hack for it: http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=37116&start=295
But in general without qc or hacks monsters only drop what they always have.
Thank You Ijed
#14315 posted by Daya on 2014/08/26 14:49:58
Found the version of my map without the leaks and before the corruption.
This following thread says having monsters drop ammo/weapons is possible without qc amnipulation: http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=37116
And I'm still looking for a way to center my map without crashing TB.
Enemies Dropping Items
#14316 posted by Cocerello on 2014/08/26 15:12:38
In that thread, with only hacking, there is the trick for making a monster that usually drops a backpack, having inside the backpack other ammo/health and weapons. There is also the trick to make a trigger drop items at an specific point.
But i suppose that what Daya want is to make a monster like the demon or the hell knight drop a quad, a key, a backpack or any other item when it dies with just hacking. And for that one, i have no idea.
By the way, now that we are talking about dropping things. Is there a way with just hacking to make a monster drop an item each time its hit (including enemies droping the backpacks that usually drop on death but droping the same one everytime they are hit), to create something like in the bonus stages in Golden Axe.
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