Rejoice!
#14283 posted by ijed on 2014/08/24 21:23:09
The bigger the fail, the more you learned.
Powerups...
#14284 posted by Hipshot on 2014/08/25 01:05:57
Hrm, I dont know why, but for some reason, no powerups spawns in my level, trying to place the ring, but the quad and the penta won't spawn either.
I always try to look at iDs source levels, however I see nothing on the ring in E1M3 that's different with mine, not on the worldspawn either.
#14285 posted by ericw on 2014/08/25 02:24:36
Try setting "developer 1" in the console and then load the map, you might get "Bonus item fell out of map". If that's the case the item position just needs to be tweaked - move further from walls and away from floor. I don't know the exact distances off hand
Eric
#14286 posted by Hipshot on 2014/08/25 09:30:10
Yea, you're right, the actual bounding of the ring seems to be a much larger affair than trench displays.
Really?
#14287 posted by SleepwalkR on 2014/08/25 09:52:01
Then the fgd file is incorrect. Can anyone tell me what the correct bounding box is?
How Does One Set Up The Shub-telefrag?
#14288 posted by Drew on 2014/08/25 14:45:35
It's kind of crazy that I don't know this already...
#14289 posted by Lunaran on 2014/08/25 16:42:42
The artifacts are all 32 x 32 x some height, but some engines treat coplanarity with a wall as touching, and drop the item out of the world, and some don't. \o/
Drew
#14290 posted by Lunaran on 2014/08/25 16:44:35
Just place a monster_oldone, and telefrag it. It does everything automatically.
Have an info_intermission pointed at it.
#14291 posted by negke on 2014/08/25 18:03:21
The powerups have the same bounding boxes as all other items: 32x32x56. This means the smallest possible space they can spawn in is 40x40x64.
Shub telefrag needs a misc_teleporttrain as teleporter destination, a regular one will cause a crash.
WalkR
#14292 posted by negke on 2014/08/25 18:10:16
You might also want to check the vore's bbox. It's the same size as ogre, fiend and shambler, but some fgds have it wrong for some reason.
Negke
#14293 posted by Hipshot on 2014/08/25 18:26:45
Thanks, that's why my items kept disappearing, that's a huge difference from the size on the ring inside the editor.
I'll just make sure my items never spawns in small areas like that (this was a secret).
Thanks Lun/ Neg
#14294 posted by Drew on 2014/08/25 20:34:10
Missing Entities Depending On Quake Client?
#14295 posted by Daya on 2014/08/25 22:02:16
Back on my gravelpit map once again.
After filling those damn voids, I've come yet to another problem while testing the map in both Quakespasm and Darkplaces.
Darkplaces loads the skybox while quakespasm doesn't. Darkplaces has a decreased decceleration and shaky viewmodels in the latest quoth release. But Quakespasm has 2 major problems:
The first one being there's been missing entities, as in 2 box of shells, one box of rockets, one box of nails, a quad damage and a rocket launcher (even though they show up nicely in darkplaces).
The second one is the most problematic: while approaching the last building of the map, the world suddenly makes brushes invisible, only shows the upcoming entities (not entity brushes) and mirrors the entire map far ahead.
What the hell's up with that?
Thanks Neggers
#14296 posted by SleepwalkR on 2014/08/25 22:02:40
Vore was in fact incorrect, and some items were missing the bounding box.
Tip For Hipshot
#14297 posted by Preach on 2014/08/25 23:04:39
Hipshot, if you set "developer 1" in console, you'll get a warning message when items fall out of your map. Other warning are emitted as well, it's a handy option while creating a map.
#14298 posted by necros on 2014/08/26 00:37:48
The second one is the most problematic: while approaching the last building of the map, the world suddenly makes brushes invisible, only shows the upcoming entities (not entity brushes) and mirrors the entire map far ahead.
You have gone outsize of +/- 4096 game units. Darkplaces increased this limit, but Quakespasm uses the stock size.
Well That Sucks
#14299 posted by Daya on 2014/08/26 00:51:32
Guess I have to make my map a Darkplaces exclusive for it to work properly.
But what about those missing items (if I get a workaround) and Darkplaces related problems?
Daya
#14300 posted by ericw on 2014/08/26 02:12:35
Should be possible to just "select all" in trenchbroom and re-center the map so it fits in bounds. The map looked easily small enough to fit :-) check the coordinates of brushes in the four corners of the map to get an idea of how much to shift it and which direction.
Items not appearing is probably the same problem hipshot was having - items need more space to spawn. Interesting that dp and qs have different behavior for that.
#14301 posted by metlslime on 2014/08/26 02:19:47
radiant has a visible "edge" of the map in the 2d views, which made it easier to avoid this mistake. I guess in 3d it's hard to show this. TB2 will have 2d views, so this might be a nice feature to add.
#14302 posted by Lunaran on 2014/08/26 04:08:12
This means the smallest possible space they can spawn in is 40x40x64
oh? the padding is that much?
#14303 posted by anonymous user on 2014/08/26 09:32:53
Yes, 4 units on each side (same goes for monsters). Although, to be more correct, the minimum height is 60 as items can spawn on the floor.
GODDAMNIT
#14304 posted by Daya on 2014/08/26 10:57:37
I tried to move the whole map at once, but not only did it made TB crash, but now the map is corrupted (it shows nothing and the console has this in red: "Malformed map file: expected token of type integer number, or decimal number, but found string at line 2629, column 65
".).
All this work go to waste in an instant.
#14305 posted by anonymous user on 2014/08/26 11:04:36
Protip: Backups, autosaves, multiple versions.
#14306 posted by JneeraZ on 2014/08/26 11:28:57
Yes, now we get to have a teaching moment about back ups and file revisions ...
Daya
Well, what's at line 2629, column 65 in the map file?
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