No Luck
#14048 posted by total_newbie on 2014/07/08 15:22:49
Thanks very much, FifthElephant, but for some reason that still isn't working. Odd. I have no trouble getting light to work when placing light entities in my map, but sunlight does absolutely nothing -- it just looks like an unlit map.
I must be doing something wrong.
On an only marginally related note, can someone explain to me what this means?:
WARNING: CutNodePortals_r:new portal was clipped away
#14049 posted by RickyT33 on 2014/07/08 15:24:40
Are you using a light tool that supports sunlight? What light tool are you using?
I Think So...
#14050 posted by total_newbie on 2014/07/08 15:31:01
It's LordHavoc's hmap2, which is a compiler with built-in light and vis functions.
#14051 posted by anonymous user on 2014/07/08 15:35:45
But maybe it does things differently from other light tools? I just had another look at the readme, and this is what it says about light:
usage: hmap2 -light [options] bspfile
Compiles lighting data in a .bsp and also makes .lit colored lighting data
Quick usage notes for entities: (place these in key/value pairs)
wait - falloff rate: 1.0 default, 0.5 = double radius, 2 = half radius
_color - red green blue, specifies color of light, example 1 0.6 0.3 is orange
_lightradius - forces light to be this radius (useful with 1/ types)
delay - light type: (x = distance of surface from light, r = radius)
0: 1-(x/r) fast, quake lighting, the default, tyrlite compatible
1: 1/(x) slow, tyrlite compatible
2: 1/(x*x) slow, realistic, tyrlite compatible
3: 1 fast, no fade, useful for sky lights, tyrlite compatible
4: sun slow, directional sunlight, uses target direction like spotlights
5: 1-x/r*x/r fast, looks like darkplaces/tenebrae lights
What the options do:
-extra antialiased lighting, takes much longer, higher quality
-extra4x4 antialiased lighting, even slower and better than -extra
-extra8x8 antialiased lighting, even slower and better than -extra4x4
-nolightvis disables use of visibility data to optimize lighting
-relight make a .lit file for an existing .bsp without modifying the .bsp
-harshshade harsh shading rather than the normal soft shading
Options from here on are incompatible with darkplaces realtime lighting mode
(it does not know if these options are used, and will require manual rtlights
editing to look good)
-intensity scales brightness of all lights
-radiusscale scales size of all lights (including 1/ types)
-defaulttype <number> sets default light type by number, see delay above
-overridetypes forces all lights to use the -defaulttype setting
-minlight raises darkest areas of the map to this light level (0-255)
-ambientlight raises all of the map by this light level (0-255)
So maybe it ignores the settings of the .map file and requires one to set sunlight via the command line?
Or is all of that stuff jut about coloured lighting?
I use tyranns light tools combined with necros compiling gui. I can't really see a reason to use anything else.
Ok, I Tried It With TyrUtils
#14053 posted by total_newbie on 2014/07/08 16:33:16
which I finally figured out. So I recompiled using qbsp and then I ran light, like this: ./light mapname
Once again, all my light entities work, but there's no sunlight in the map (despite my using the exact values from post 14047), and areas where I put no light entities yet are surrounded by sky brushes, are pitch black.
What am I doing wrong?
Question For Trenchbroom Users (especially 5th)
#14054 posted by Breezeep_ on 2014/07/08 16:42:49
What version of trenchbroom are you using? For me, snap to grid just reduces the grid size to pixel size.
The Whole Skybrush Has To Be Textured With Sky Texture
#14055 posted by mfx on 2014/07/08 16:43:57
not just one face?
Mfx
#14056 posted by total_newbie on 2014/07/08 16:49:47
That is the case; the entire brush is textured with sky texture.
Total_newb
if you're on windows then best just using this tool -
http://shoresofnis.wordpress.com/utilities/ne_q1spcompilinggui/
Here's a mapfile I made which has the sunlight set up. As long as you're using tyranns tools it should work right -
https://www.dropbox.com/s/afzmvlm0wvs3spt/sunlight.zip
So How Are You Editing The Worldspawn, Total_newbie?
#14058 posted by RickyT33 on 2014/07/08 16:53:21
In Worldcraft you just go Edit -> Map properies, then use the UI to change the values.
Check your .map file.
Here are the first few lines from my honey map jam map (with an example of sunlight):
{
"classname" "worldspawn"
"classname" "worldspawn"
"message" "Yellow Brick Grotto"
"_sunlight" "123"
"gravity" "800"
"sounds" "5"
"light" "12"
"_sunmangle" "40 -45 0"
"_sun_mangle" "45 -45 0"
"fog" "0.03 0.025 0.055 0.14"
"mapversion" "220"
"wad" "\program files\worldcraft\textures\skip.hlwad;\program files\worldcraft\textures\honey.hlwad"
{
( 496 0 -512 ) ( 368 0 -512 ) ( 304 -32 -512 ) CITY2_3 [ 1 0.......
Incidentally, I don't know why the worldspawn is declared twice, it just IS. Anyone? Is this an error?
Either way, if you .map file looks like that in your text editor, then something else is going on. If not, try making it like the above...
It's Working!
#14059 posted by total_newbie on 2014/07/08 17:36:05
I checked my map file as you suggested, and it turns out I had made a mistake with the _sun_mangle values. Fixed it, and now sunlight finally works.
Thank you so much, FifthElephant and RickyT23!
In response to your question, RickyT23: in TrenchBroom, when you select a brush you can add and edit properties. By default if it is a regular, non-func brush, it only lists classname, spawnflag and wad (if it's textured). Everything else (e.g. "_sunlight") you can then add manually (if you know what it is called).
worldspawn is listed only once in my map file, by the way.
Re: 14057: Thanks, Fifth, but I am on Linux.
And Thanks Very Much For The Map File, FifthElephant.
#14060 posted by total_newbie on 2014/07/08 17:39:54
Bizarrely, though, I cannot open it with TrenchBroom (although I can open it in a text editor).
Oh Wait, No, I Can.
#14061 posted by total_newbie on 2014/07/08 17:41:51
It's just empty, right?
Sorry; with every consecutive post I must seem like more of an idiot.
Shouldn't Be Empty
It's a simple box room.
Quadruple Derp
#14063 posted by total_newbie on 2014/07/08 17:50:03
Oh, right. Just needed to rotate the camera almost completely. Yes, it's all there.
Well, as I said, with every consecutive post I must seem like more of an idiot.
it's probably because of where the geometry is. I can't leave what I was working on there, probably going to do something special for the next jam.
Another TrenchBroom/mapping Question
#14065 posted by total_newbie on 2014/07/09 20:29:42
Not sure if it should go here or in the TrenchBroom thread ...
Is it possible to flip a brush/selection of brushes in TB so as to get an exact mirror image of it?
I know you can turn it around using alt + the arrow/PgUP/PgDn keys, but I guess all of that just turns the brush/selection in different directions as if it were a real 3D object. Or maybe I'm missing something and there's some magic sequence of twists and turns that produces a mirror image?
Try Ctrl + F
That flips it... is that what you mean?
And
#14067 posted by ijed on 2014/07/09 21:59:07
ALT CTRL F flips it vertically.
Yes
#14068 posted by total_newbie on 2014/07/09 22:12:38
That is exactly what I mean. You both rock! :)
Necros Compiling GUI
When using this, even though folder preferences are in order and the tools are actually there, I get this error:
'D:\Files\Design\Quake' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. Press any key to continue.
What gives?
#14070 posted by Joel B on 2014/07/11 17:26:04
I haven't used that tool but I'd guess you're trying to use a path that has a space in it, and the tool is cantankerous about that.
Possible solutions if so:
- Rename the folders in the path to remove spaces.
- Put double-quotes around the path in the place where you enter it in the tool; or if the tool uses a config file and saves the path there, try editing that to add the quotes.
- Use DOS-style shortnames in the path.
You can use "dir -x" in a command prompt to see shortnames.
#14071 posted by Joel B on 2014/07/11 17:26:51
Oops sorry that would be "dir /x".
#14072 posted by Lunaran on 2014/07/11 20:11:42
D:\Files\
what could possibly be outside this folder
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