Whatever
#13752 posted by negke on 2014/05/08 16:45:48
I see where he's coming from, but I feel patronized by the article. There's a point about putting too much focus on "unnecessary" (debatable notion to begin with) detail at the cost of gameplay. Yet, just because the players may not see or appreciate certain details, or because they may not add to the gameplay, it doesn't mean it's bad practice. Besides, the On A Rail chapters doesn't work as a general example for all kinds of games and maps like he seems to be doing.
It's Pretty Badly Written And Incoherent.
#13753 posted by ijed on 2014/05/08 17:02:02
In a nutshell, the point he's trying to make is that details shouldn't interfere with the overall theming of a level's design.
But he focuses on pointless detail (funny considering that's what he's trying to write about) and doesn't resolve the topics he's bringing up.
Yes ok, On A Rail was bland but it worked. You could say that about most of Half Life. Why not mention that software improvements allow us to have better graphics without sacrificing game play?
Yes ok, LDs shouldn't waste their time sticking doorknobs on things. Why not discuss using prefabs or other tools?
#13754 posted by Joel B on 2014/05/08 18:26:21
It's worth noting though that the page was written in 2001. Some angst from back then about aesthetic fiddling getting in the way of playability is understandable (especially from someone working against commercial deadlines).
I Refuse To Accomodate Empathy
#13755 posted by ijed on 2014/05/08 18:32:53
Damn You
#13756 posted by ijed on 2014/05/08 18:33:12
#13757 posted by Spirit on 2014/05/08 18:44:37
There is also a follow-up at http://johnsto.co.uk/blog/116
Yeah
#13758 posted by ijed on 2014/05/08 19:23:57
That's better.
#13750
#13759 posted by metlslime on 2014/05/08 20:57:46
I remember this when it first came out, and it was definitely controversial because it's hard to accept what he says if you believe in cleanly built maps.
The non-controversial part is that an increase in visual detail does not always cause an increase in quality of experience -- an obvious example is high-res replacement textures in quake. The harmony of many different ingredients is more important.
The controversial part is "misaligned textures can be better." I think the best way to re-state this so that I can accept the idea, is to say "impressionism can be better" -- this could be because the "magic" of quake and doom is the low-res, low-poly filter that we see that world through, which gives the player room to imagine the rest. It's hard to do this in high-res, high-poly. At low res, 8-bit lighting, there are so many filters that muddy everything up that you can't always see the texture misalignments, they are hidden by dithering and aliasing and palette banding. These filters help the player experience the whole and not focus on the details, since you can't see the details very well anyway.
Well Put
#13760 posted by killpixel on 2014/05/08 21:30:46
The higher fidelity and realism of the graphics the more visible the flaws, not only technically, but artistically.
Maximum realism is the goal of most modern games, but I don't think we're quite there. IMO, it would better better if designers worked within the boundaries of the tech and made cohesive, artistic interpretations instead of attempting realistic duplication. "pushing the boundaries" is not the safest route, as I feel people push them too far.
Always On Spikeshooters
How do you make them constantly fire?
5th
#13762 posted by mfx on 2014/05/11 12:16:32
Use trap_shooter instead.
Not Everybody Uses Quoth
Its An Id1 Enity Iirc?
#13764 posted by mfx on 2014/05/11 12:56:08
#13765 posted by Spirit on 2014/05/11 13:01:31
Just use trap_shooter. For trap_spikeshooter I think you can set its target to a info_notnull.
#13766 posted by Spirit on 2014/05/11 13:02:00
I Was Correct
#13767 posted by mfx on 2014/05/11 13:05:43
yeah!
#13768 posted by quaketree on 2014/05/12 04:24:03
If memory serves I believe that trap_spikeshooter uses a rotation flag or a up or down firing flag and is dependent on what type of level it is in the worldspawn (lasers in tech levels and spikes for everywhere else).
But I might be wrong on that, it might be possible to put spikes in any level or lasers in any level. I never really played around with them. The timing just seemed a bit too fiddly to get right without a lot of blind tries and recompilings until you got it right.
Ropes And Chains Models
#13769 posted by Mike Woodham on 2014/05/13 20:35:28
Do I remember someone having some rope and/or chain models, and if so, can I pick them up somewhere?
Honey By CZG
#13770 posted by mfx on 2014/05/13 20:45:20
they were actually .bsp, but does that matter?
Just look into the file at quaddicted.
And Ijed has some chain models, hanging from ceilings, maybe he�s so kind to distribute them?
Ropes
#13771 posted by anonymous user on 2014/05/13 20:47:49
are also to be found on the tome of preach, its the cable model with skin set to 0.
Here:
http://tomeofpreach.wordpress.com/2013/09/29/cable/
#13772 posted by Mike Woodham on 2014/05/14 20:10:09
Thanks to both
Plats Vs Doors
#13773 posted by anonymous user on 2014/05/17 03:00:35
is there some sort of specific reason to use plats instead of doors?
I ask because I have a use for one but the plat is a bit finicky so I'm using a door instead. Is this ok or is there something more to plats that I'm missing?
You're Right
#13774 posted by Preach on 2014/05/17 07:54:05
Plats are slightly easier to set up in an "inactive, then autonomous" way, but when you need better control then a door is the standard solution.
Ah
#13775 posted by killpixel on 2014/05/17 16:18:06
thank you
How The Hell
do you set the gravity in a map? I want a low grav map in my quake episode....
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