screenshots and beta's is certainly for unfinished work... usually we're used to seeing something that's a little more finished than your screenshots though ;) 

I'll add textures to it later, I got school stuff to do. I would have given it a bit more detail if I had time. 

do you school-work first, it's more important anyway! :P

If you want to show off work as early as this it might be an idea to do a stream, people love seeing this stuff made from scratch. 

'shitpost'? if you don't want feedback, don't post screenshots in the thread. 

SpecialBomb - I don't know what feedback you are expecting from those images, and getting all defensive when someone gives you valid feedback is not going to end well here. 

I dunno why I even put the screenshots there in the first place. I just thought it would be a good idea, but I obviously didn't base it off of anything. I won't put any more screenshots until it looks acceptable.

(Note to self: Don't piss off kinn, he is made of pure salt) 

Fullbright screenshots (or anywhere really) are always a bit of a ghastly sight because everything is 255 in brightness. Even with the very similar brown textures you used, having lighting would have increased the visual flair of the screens by a considerable margin.

As far as texturing goes, don't worry right now about getting things perfectly aligned or what goes best with what. Instead, search in the texture browser for "floor" and apply that to your floor faces. Do the same with "wall" for wall spaces. You can just slap the floor texture onto the ceiling for now.

For lighting, if you really don't want to mess with specifics just do this:

Add a light into the map and add a key called "delay" with a value of 5. Give the "light" key a value of 450 (or higher...play around with it!) and then just copy+paste them around the map. You'll notice a large increase of visual fidelity doing this.

Then, as a test post another screenshot of your level with texturing and lighting and see the difference!

Good luck 

So, link to map is broken...here is the updated file. Would like some testers!

https://copy.com/7uLLFsTBpsB0K8RS 

Lol, I couldn't agree more.

I sometimes get annoyed by the fact that some people on here champ at me even though I'm putting in a lot of work for free because I love mapping, as if they think I'm a robot and they're the user, and they should just be able to control my creativity - and force me to hold back releases until those releases live up to the particular standards of how they voluntarily decide to spend their free time. Still, I recognize that with a very tiny amount of exceptions, this is mostly meant as constructive criticism, and that's how it is best viewed.

Kinn, by the way, is "made of" pure win. 

Go map! 

You ARE a robot.

Now do the funky dance moves! 

Is it supposed to be played with AD? 

Making a remix of my favorite Q1 map E1M3 - The Necropolis, I'm a few days in at this point. It is not a brick by brick copy but instead a re-imagining. Keeping some key components like the "ring of shadows" secret, traps and overall layout of the original. Going for a "medium-sized" map, not much bigger than the original, and certainly not legendary scale like the amazing AD maps :)

Some things I'm not sure about, like shifting from the brown/white castle theme into the swampy/brick theme as you move down/away from the start area. Maybe stick with with the broken/swampy theme, feels more like the original?

Also, another consideration is to either stick with classic Quake or incorporate AD entities, there are especially some useful ranged monsters like crossbow men etc.

Some screens for reference:

Start Area
[img]http://i.imgur.com/wkq8dZS.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/RWAVC5o.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ql7FJBP.jpg[/img]

Gold Key Area
[img]http://i.imgur.com/diwP3op.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/1jwxN5M.jpg[/img]

It is early but if you have considerations and feedback I would appreciate it. 

Giftthing, can't wait to play it. 

That was stated on the original post but I guess I should entered that information again! 

Great idea, E1M3 is a classy and iconic map (maybe due to it being an early aspiration of Quake speedrunning, as well as the great variety), and has a lot of potential for enhancement whilst retaining the classic layout and atmosphere.

It looks good so far BUT needs some more texture variety, especially in the 1st start shot and 2nd GK area shot. Feel free to go heavy on the detailing too as long as it's consistent :)

P.S. I kinda like the shifting thing at the start, adds a bit of flavour. 

Yeah, you can't expect people not to be lazy.

Here is a demo
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/58150516/q1/mjb.7z
there is a few notes in it.
Thought I was stuck at the top level but noticed the key right after saying that.

Ran out of ammo couple of times.
Forcefield ambushes trap you in an area that feels a bit small, not much space to maneuver.

Overall, plays well imho. 

DeeDoubleU,

First of all, thank you for testing the level. I really appreciate it!

I'll just list things in bullet form:

-I wanted the NM skill search to be assigned to the player so they start looking around the skill selection room. It is atypical to be sure.

- The Mega Health clip through the crate thing in the stable is a glitch I was made aware of yesterday when friends tested the level. I tested the level +500 times and that one eluded me haha.

-You say: "Oh come on" during a yellow window shot...is that because of the lack of direction they give? The yellow windows are tied to a super secret but maybe providing the *"More to go"* message is the better way to go.

-The bobbing crate is not a favorite among testers haha...I will have to rework that section a bit.

-Stable key sort of blends in but I am not sure how to draw attention there.

-Force field fight is not implemented the best but I didn't want the player to be able to freely leave at the same time. I might add an extra respawn of items in there.

-As for ammo, a lot of items were sitting atop breakable planks throughout the level. I think I need to add a visual connection to show the player that you can do this.

-You and the rest of the testers only found the one secret (armor in the window) so I wonder if I should make them a bit more obvious hmm.

-I may add the entrance to the stable to break open so the "Horse" can chase the player further and not get stuck in the stable.

-You escaped so fast at the end that you left the "surprise" encounter in the dust!

Very interesting (and nerve-wracking!) to watch someone that isn't me play through wow...so much insight about how players interact with the world you designed. This will be of tremendous help and again thank you! 

Couple of the questions on the technical side:

Lighting okay? Overall presentation not from a gameplay perspective...atmosphere...stuff like that? 

Thank you for the feedback shambler, regarding detailing, I'm new to Quake 1 mapping and the extended engines (I use quakespasm) but just how nuts can you go with details in one area without causing problems? :P

PS: Sorry for broken links, wasn't sure how to put them here. 

Looking good! I like the additional vertical layer at the start section and that things are a bit more open in general. I would say go all out re-imagining with AD!

Looking forward to more :) 

I played Horse Named Quake last night. Not a bad level at all, with quite a lot packed in to what is basically one big room. Played on normal.

Found 6 of 9 secrets but I only completed the yellow windows because of no clipping. Discovered a window that wanted a "widowmaker" and had no idea what that meant. Saw the red armor, couldn't get to it.

The little ramps to get up to the higher area (after climbing the ladder) are too awkward. I could climb the rope but couldn't figure out how to get off.

Doors in the start area just sink through the ground in a way which which looks weird. Wood textures everywhere need to be aligned better. The grain should appear to run in the same direction on all sides.

I saw what looked like a red key in the start area but couldn't get to it. I also saw what looked like a shoot button, but wasn't shootable and didn't see any obvious way to get up there to push it.

Didn't have any problems with the amount of ammo or health. Monster placement was okay, but it seemed like one of the little spider things was stuck under a ramp.

Lighting was a little bland and maybe a bit bright, but way better than none at all, and really good lighting can be very time consuming get right.

Overall a pretty good map. Even though I'd never played an AD map before, it wasn't hard to figure things out, so you did well in that respect also. 

- I meant "oh, c'mon, how is this not a secret/button?"
Disregard that. I guess I was too far away for me to see that particles were "bloody".
I don't think you need "More to go" message, would make it too obvious.
Have no idea how to activate top-most trigger, tried to shoot while jumping but always hit the wall.

- I don't think it is the crate itself, but the context - most of the time when I tried to climb it, there was few enemies around. That made me panic and miss those jumps more than I should.

- stable key
some particles maybe? Torch above entrance to courtyard drew my attention immediately.

- Ah, breakables. I'm not used to AD and keep forgetting about it.
Noclipped to check other stuff and I think secrets are fair. It's up to you of course.

- "surprise" encounter
Whoops. I honestly thought that is all there is.
I think it is cool that different people will have different experience.

- lighting is just fine.
Only weak point I see on the visual part is view from ground looking up. Ceiling areas(there spider is hanging from for example) looks empty.
Imho few supports, wooden beams that kind of stuff is needed there.

As for the atmosphere... stables without a single manure pile?! I don't buy it. =P
To be honest, I was too overwhelmed with action most of the time and could only enjoy the aesthetics while flying around. 

Rick, thanks for testing the map!

Refreshing to see you found more secrets...it would appear that Hard skill makes players focus more on surviving rather than taking time to explore the site.

-I guess if you haven't played the AD mod, that some terms are confusing. In any case, if the secret is solved you are rewarded with the Widowmaker which would hopefully make the player go "Ooh!". That was the plan anyway ;)

-Now that is interesting! You found 6 secrets but couldn't get to the one that everyone else could only find. Just really curious stuff!

-Always felt off about the small wooden ramps upwards. Going to implement stairs so ramp running is not required.

-I added some lip to the start stable doors so they don't just vanish...good eye.

-Yep, red key is the puzzle to reach nightmare. I tried to keep the convention of red = shoot and anything else means to push. A well timed slope jump may be able to reach that button. ;)

-I know what spider you are referring to and I pushed him out a little more.

-Any pointers on the lighting? I did focus a good amount of time on lights. Tune down the sunlight/2 perhaps? Should I remove some ambient delay 5 lights I placed around...?

- Whoa, wood grain alignment...not something I was thinking about! That is a nice bit of feedback. You say everywhere but I look at major wood textures (Like ceilings of the vertical sections) and it looks like they are all going the same direction. Any specific glaringly obvious examples?

-Cool to know I conveyed AD even with the absence of AD knowledge! Excellent feedback and this helps a ton...thank you again!

DeeDoubleU:

Ah, great to hear about your noclipping analysis! Adding wood beams or detail to the ceiling sections is a great idea...going to definitely do that.

Ah, now I need to create a poop model to really enGROSS the player...haah! Thanks for the follow up! 

Try to imagine how the grain would be oriented if you actually built in real life using something like 2x4 or 4x4 planks.

http://quaketastic.com/files/GoodandBadGrain.jpg