I thought the only difference was .rmf
yay! 

It's for something of a spinoff map... 

I'm not 100% and can't check right now, but I think TB will load this map fine and save it as a standard .map file. Although the texture alignment info will be fucked, naturally. 

Actually, I just remember I did use TB for exactly this in the past... must have been some hazy late night troubleshooting, haha. I'll try that! :) 

That is good to know. 

Actually, it's still not working in Radiant, exact same issue... like I said, I was probably only half awake, lol. 

I search "worldcraft" I get a dozen of useless pages about World of Warcraft. Sigh. 

thread: http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-help/servers-coding/3997-half-life-bsp-q1-5.html

dl: http://scrama.3dn.ru/load/0-0-0-24-20 

So it still exists? Someone should archive that :-p 

not sure how to extract textures from those rmf files though. But you probably have access to the wad3 files. 

And the new one isn't in Russian :P
http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-help/servers-coding/3997-half-life-bsp-q1-8.html#post49563

I'll put it in the wiki :D 

I'll get out mah ruler! 

I have tons of maps and map scraps that were created in Worldcraft (1.6) and I've never had any problems opening them in Netradiant. 

I guess you mean that Valve version of Worldcraft? 

huh, IIRC I have used it to convert WC maps in the past.

Then maybe the problem is something entirely different? Now I'm confused. 

Worldcraft was hacked to work on quake by varios people, the final package being assembled by Baker.

HL maps basically are quake maps, the only difference being the texture format of hlwad, and that is only used by worldcraft, the bsp still compiling with normal quake textures.

Worldcraft .maps have extra texture coordinates that allow things to be moved about more freely than other editors (at the time at least) allowed without mucking up the projection.

It sounds like the .map you're looking at is corrupt, have you tried opening it in a text editor like notepad++ or something? I don't know radiant but I'm assuming it tells you on which line it's failing.

Afaik bsp2 makes no difference to the .map format. 

The .rmf doesn't hold the textures, you can just extract those from the bsp using texmex.

You could also try downloading Baker's worldcraft 3.3 adapter package. Not saying you learn wc, but it could help you to fix the error and the package has texture converters inside... although I'm not sure if they'll be able to spit out a normal wad after chewing on a hlwad. 

The Quake .bsp will not have the textures in Hlwad format. The only use for the Hlwad format is to get the textures into the editor. You still need the regular .wad to compile the .map into a .bsp because the compiling tools require them.

The biggest advantage to using WC 3.3 is that you aren't going to be violating any copyright laws as it's 100% free while AFAIK WC 1.6 (full) was never released to the public for free when Valve bought the rights to it. There's no good reason why that I can think of but perhaps they just figured that it wasn't really needed to go through that extra step due to the age of Quake.

Someone could probably write Valve and ask that they release it as freeware and they might do it if they have the time. 

That's been asked a few times actually, to the sound of silence.

I used to use Worldcraft, but Trenchbroom is better. 

You guys didn't buy Worldcraft when it came out? I still have my original version 1.1 disk with the paper receipt from ACD Systems. 

The full 1.6 version on another thread. Not sure about the legality of that, but it's not for sale anymore and I'm not hosting, so...

The only difference AFAIK is being able to use the prefabs system.

1.6 doesn't have the advanced texture snap that 3.3 and later provide, and there are a few glitches in there that can be annoying. 

One thing I always liked about the old Worldcraft was that it allowed you to move individual vertexes anywhere you wanted to, even if it would be an invalid brush. NetRadiant infuriates me sometimes because of the automatic checking and rearranging of other vertexes just to keep the brush valid. Sometimes to get from point A to point B you need to pass through invalid shapes. 

It's fine! Tried Trenchbroom but it's too different, I don't feel like I get the control and precision I want with it as easily as with 2D editors.

As for 'the compilers requiring .wad to work', not true, there have been compilers that support hlwad for ages now. Haven't there? 

Trenchbroom is the greatest editor of all time! 

Nope, you still need the normal wads afaik.