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*qs still lags in big, complex maps/mods. adding "-zone 65536" "-heapsize 92000" "-surfcachesize 320000" to the commandline doesn't fix the problem *cannot return into the game after alt-tab out to desktop from the menu (no map loaded) >Requests *Use the DirectQ style of having only the muzzleflash have no interpolation; while all the objects of the gun/monster are interpolated *Read files directly from the game folder, so user can drag & drop models/sounds etc >help also, how can i play a music track from the console? "play" looks for wav files in the sound folder (not music) and "cd" looks for a physical disk in the drive lastly can i restore the old quake menu background? >requests
remove the visible console bar going up when the map transitions to a cutscene btw am using ver 0.85.1 *qs still lags in big, complex maps/mods. adding "-zone 65536" "-heapsize 92000" "-surfcachesize 320000" to the commandline doesn't fix the problem
what are your pc specs? you were saying before that armagon lags - how low of an fps do you get (scr_showfps 1)? what are the first 3 lines of output from running "gl_info" in the console? (on windows, you should be able to copy and paste it from stdout.txt) Make sure gfx grivers are installed... what FPS do you get on the same maps in DirectQ? remove the visible console bar going up when the map transitions to a cutscene as a workaround you can make the console speed fast, e.g. set scr_conspeed to 10000 lastly can i restore the old quake menu background? launch with -fitz or delete quakespasm.pak also, how can i play a music track from the console? "music track04" should work *cannot return into the game after alt-tab out to desktop from the menu (no map loaded) weird, i'll see if I can reproduce that I found another case of a moving object disappearing when viewed from a certain place. I'm posting a description and a screenshot in case the devs have a use for another test case. If this is already well-covered ground, just ignore my msg.
This happens when walking through the silver key door in e1m2quoth. I'm using Quoth version 2_2. I have not yet upgraded my Quakespasm to the latest SVN version, so I don't know if the latest changes affect this. (This is the second time I spot one of these minor glitches, so it's not like they bother me.) In the pictures, the missing object is in front of the button near the center of the viewport. It's a moving mechanism that activates the button, and you have to first trigger it with a floor button for it to move into this position. http://imgur.com/5mmlu0M The most useful thing with big maps was moving MDLs over to vertex buffers too. When you think about it, this makes sense: in any big scene there are going to be a lot of MDLs visible and the stock FitzQuake code is particularly bad for these (and made worse because it does a lot of multipassing).
Quoth maps that use the long torch model heavily make things even worse because there is a lot of insane and intricate detail on that model (which you don't even see 99% of the time) leading to a stupidly high polycount. This normally needs shaders to be able to handle frame interpolation with vertex buffers, but for QuakeSpasm an intermediate step can be done by using client-side vertex arrays. That will also work on any OpenGL 1.1 or better hardware, which pretty much means everything. The advantages are being able to take each MDL in a single draw call, and being able to calculate the frame once only then reuse that for each pass. Without VBOs you're still streaming a lot of vertex data to the GPU, but it still adds up to a significant CPU saving. Version 0.90.0 of QuakeSpasm is finally released.
Changes since the previous version: http://sf.net/p/quakespasm/news/2014/10/quakespasm-0900/ Downloads: http://quakespasm.sourceforge.net/download.htm http://sourceforge.net/projects/quakespasm/files/ What's the diffirence between the "universal" and the SDL2 version for OS X ?
What is SDL2 anyway ? hey ericw
specs 8gb ram dx11 in quakespasm i get ~27fps on the same map in directq, I get a constant 60fps (vsync on), constant 72fps vsync off *Use the DirectQ style of having only the muzzleflash with no interpolation; while all the objects of the gun/monster are interpolated >>to clarify, I mean in directq, all the gun models' animation are completely interpolated; only the muzzleflash object is not. so it would make automatic weapons (supernailgun esp) look better when shooting. Also it would make monsters' attack animations appear smooth instead of choppy *Read files directly from the game folder, so user can drag & drop models/sounds etc >>Will this be a feature in the next version? >Requests can ambient sounds be made to always loop even if do not contain a repeat node? Quakespasm is built against the SDL framework (don't ask if you don't already know what that is.) The SDL2 version for OSX is basically the same, except that it is built against SDL2 framework instead of SDL 1.2.
The "universal" one uses SDL1.2 and will run on powerpc / OS X 10.4. The SDL2 one requires OS X 10.5 and an x86/x86_64 cpu.
SDL2 is just the latest version of the library quakespasm uses that handles things like mouse / keyboard input, switching video modes, etc.. http://www.libsdl.org There shouldn't be much difference but you might as well use the SDL2 one. Ok, cool. which map is that 27 fps on btw? Do you mind posting the first couple lines of gl_info output from Quakespasm? Oh, check that r_novis is set to 0. QS archives that which can be annoying if you leave it on by accident. Might be worth trying a fresh game directory, just extract the engine, id1/pak0+1.pak, and the mod / map in question with no cfgs carried over.
can ambient sounds be made to always loop even if do not contain a repeat node? *Read files directly from the game folder, so user can drag & drop models/sounds etc I can see these two would be convenient for modding, but would be incompatible with other engines so I'm not sure. re: interpolation, it could be nice to have DirectQ's gun lerping as an option. we haven't touched the interpolation code from fitzquake so I'm not sure how much work it would be. I'm not too certain I'd recommend it. The main problem is that it makes a guess about which polygons belong to the flash and which belong to the gun: if the back-to-front distance from frame 0 to frame 1 is above a certain amount (don't remember what) it assumes a flash (and tags those polys for all frames as flash polys).
On the one hand this idea has heritage (of sorts) in the "if delta is large assume a teleport and don't lerp" code in CL_RelinkEntities. On the other hand it's easy to imagine it not being in accordance with a content author's wishes (although in practice everything I tested it with was fine so it's something that could happen in future). One potential breaking problem is gun models that don't flash in frame 1, of course (that on it's own is enough to recommend avoiding the code). It does absolutely nothing to deal with player and grunt model flashes. For the next release, I'm thinking of going straight to having all mdl data in a static VBO and using a glsl vertex shader (vanilla GL2.0, #version 110) to do lerping and lighting, and fall back to the old Fitz code if glsl isn't available. I have this running and it was pretty straightforward, borrowing the vbo setup code from rmqengine (thanks!).
I got a nice lighting setup that produces identical results as the Fitz code; using the formula you posted here http://forums.inside3d.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2983 to reproduce the anorm_dots table without having to pass the table into the shader - I calculate the shadevector in C, and just do the dot product with each vertex normal in the shader. code is here if anyone's interested, needs some tidying and fixing lazy memory management in places.. https://github.com/ericwa/Quakespasm/compare/master...glsl-alias Since you're working on MDLs, and if you're interested, here's a better way of evaluating mins and maxs: http://pastebin.com/aCTyXjjm (this just reverses the calculation from modelgen.c)
And here you can recalculate normals (again, based on code from modelgen.c): http://pastebin.com/AMdpeB7Z The anorms table is just an icosahedron subdivided twice so that can also be calculated in code if you like. How can I copy the text from gl_info to a file?
Not sure if this helps but here is the stdout.txt Command line: C:\id\QUAKE\quakespasm.exe -sndspeed 44100 -heapsize 92000 -surfcachesize 320000 +crosshair 0 -zone 65536 -game aq Found SDL version 1.2.15 Quake 1.09 (c) id Software GLQuake 1.00 (c) id Software FitzQuake 0.85 (c) John Fitzgibbons FitzQuake SDL port (c) SleepwalkR, Baker QuakeSpasm 0.90.0 (c) Ozkan Sezer, Stevenaaus Host_Init Playing registered version. Console initialized. UDP Initialized WIPX_OpenSocket: Address family not supported by protocol family WIPX_Init: Unable to open control socket, IPX disabled Exe: 14:28:31 Sep 29 2014 89.8 megabyte heap Video mode 1600x900x32 (24-bit z-buffer, 0x FSAA) initialized FOUND: ARB_vertex_buffer_object FOUND: ARB_multitexture GL_MAX_TEXTURE_UNITS: 8 FOUND: ARB_texture_env_combine FOUND: ARB_texture_env_add Warning: vertical sync not supported (SDL_GL_GetAttribute failed) FOUND: EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic FOUND: GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two Intel Display Adapter detected, enabling gl_clear Sound Initialization SDL audio spec : 44100 Hz, 1024 samples, 2 channels SDL audio driver: dsound, 65536 bytes buffer Audio: 16 bit, stereo, 44100 Hz SDL detected 0 CD-ROM drives ========= Quake Initialized ========= execing quake.rc execing default.cfg execing config.cfg execing aqalias.cfg Unknown command "r_maxsurfs" Unknown command "r_maxedges" execing autoexec.cfg Unknown command "#bind" execing airsay.rc Airsay.rc v0.9 (21.10.97) Radio communications script for AirQuake By FM1_Echo and FM1_Bravo Based on SayTeam.rc v1.3 by John Laessig http://tyr.nimad.fi/~fullmoon 3 demo(s) in loop ]gl_info GL_VENDOR: Intel GL_RENDERER: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 GL_VERSION: 4.0.0 - Build 9.17.10.2963 GL_EXTENSIONS: GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL_EXT_blend_color GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_texture3D GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap GL_EXT_draw_range_elements GL_SGIS_texture_lod GL_EXT_rescale_normal GL_EXT_packed_pixels GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp GL_EXT_separate_specular_color GL_ARB_multitexture GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_bgra GL_EXT_blend_func_separate GL_EXT_secondary_color GL_EXT_fog_coord GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_cube_map GL_ARB_transpose_matrix GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays GL_SUN_multi_draw_arrays GL_NV_blend_square GL_ARB_texture_compression GL_3DFX_texture_compression_FXT1 GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp GL_ARB_point_parameters GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar GL_EXT_Shutting down SDL sound can ambient sounds be made to always loop even if do not contain a repeat node?
*Read files directly from the game folder, so user can drag & drop models/sounds etc I can see these two would be convenient for modding, but would be incompatible with other engines so I'm not sure. Actually there are a few engines that also read from the folders: directq and i think qrack the ambient sound looping would also be really useful >Bugs when "R_novis 1": models, doors and sprites are not visible when looking into the water, and while submerged looking out >Requests r_telealpha, r_lavaalpha, r_slimealpha; those commands don't exist ; r_wateralpha affects all fluids i think the ambient sound looping feature is bad because it would encourage the creation of less compatible content for no good reason.
Also, it wouldn't even solve the problem fully because looping is needed for more than just ambients. How about a simple command-line tool to convert any wave file to looping? This would help modders just as much and the results would be compatible with all engines. You can do looping with http://www.wavosaur.com/ which is freeware!
r_novis 1 turns off vis testing client side which only affects the world model and static entities (torches, func_illusionary,
Server side, the server is still checking to see if an entity is in a visibility leaf. DirectQ has sv_novis 1 which turns off server-side visibility checking against entities (sprites, doors, monsters). sv_novis is probably on in your DirectQ. ranger, the gl_info output looks ok, only thing i can suggest is try with a clean config if you haven't already. i've tested QS on the hd 4000 i think (recent-ish intel graphics, anyway) and IIRC it can handle even the largest releases like the rubicon pack decently.
"gamedir should be a single directory name, not a path"
How to make the engine accept path (like addon/czg07) as valid argument for gamedir again?
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