You are right. It's very hard to get the colors right. I don't even think there's very much blue in quake at all. I will change the weapon. I've tried color picking from the original textures to find base colors. Seems like quake in general is a world of brownish mud.

http://i.imgur.com/SpciqRk.png 

Model looks great but I'm concerned that such polygon density will cause a lot of the detail to just collapse once you run it through the meat-grinder that is 8-bit MDL vertex precision... 

 

These are just wip shots. The polycount is well in quakelimits and the model looks good in quake too.

The texture resolution is double the targetsize and also in truecolor because thats just the way I paint. There is a lot of detail that will get lost in translation. Luckily this includes some of the dullness and subpar painting.

Here's a screenshot of what it will look like after the conversion.

http://imgur.com/VHsPzeh 

The polycount is well in quakelimits

It's not about polycount - it's about vertex density, and you'll only see the collapsing verts once all the anims are done, not with a t-pose test.

However, you seem to know what you're doing so I'll stop being annoying now. 

It's about vertices that are to close to each other?

I actually didn't think about this :( Well I'll just hope for the best then. 

Really liking the progress flp! 

Basically, imagine finding the maximum X, Y, and Z extents of the model, over all frames.

In each dimension, the vertex coordinates are then quantized to adopt one of 256 values fitting inside the maximum extents.

I don't know if I've explained it well, but if you have two vertices that are very close to each other relative to the model extents (remember it's over all frames, not per-frame), then they will collapse. 

Quote: "I don't even think there's very much blue in quake at all."
http://www.simonoc.com/images/design/sp/1000cuts3l.jpg 

It should be possible to get rough aproximation with single frame by adding temp triangles on min/max values for each axis extent, correct? 

If you can reasonably guess what the biggest mins/maxs are gonna be for the animated version.

Melee attacks and death anims are usually the worst offenders in my experience. 

@Kinn

thx for the clarification I didn't know that about quake. That's probably why these idle animations seem so wobbly most of the time. Cause the animations are so small that only a few vertices skip the treshold to the next interpolated point.

Well I'll make sure there are no van damme splits in my animations.

@PyroGXPilot
Are those stock textures. The enemies sure seem to pop out of the picture. 

Hah no they're not stock. :-)

There is tho an interesting amount of blue, red, and green in Quake... it just depends on the episode/theme (and they're all earthier tones of course).

For basemap style enemies "tan" is definitely the dominant environment. 

an interesting amount of blue, red, and green in Quake
E2M5 E3M6 E4M7 Blue Article 

That's a great article BTW, it's cool that you take the time to write those up. 

yeah, i just read it for the first time too. Great, detailed post mortem. 

Wow, thank you @JohnnyLaw & @metlslime, always good to get feedback on my articles, took me forever to create it. Made my evening! 

would a touch less dithering look better on the "shirt" area? 

@Shamblernaut
The shirt area needs more detail. As of now the shirt is almost one solid color without dithering. I plan on some leather straps and more variety and then I can get rid of this awfulness. I tried a few different conversion algorithms but I might need to push pixels manually in the end.

I've also prematurely documented some of the process while procrastinating.

Here's an overview of the stages the modeling went through.
http://pnahratow.github.io/chainforcer-lowpoly-modeling-stages.html

Here is a timelapse video of some texture painting.
https://youtu.be/SlOZWpu9t7o 

Really digging everything you're doing. 

Is there some sort of hybrid between nearest neighbour and dithering that works well?

It's been probably a decade since I had to use the (I'm showing my age a little here) reduce colour depth function in Paint Shop Pro.

Also, until I started watching your video just now, it never occurred to me just how silly it is shading on what really should be a dynamically lit model. 

@ Bloughsburgh, KillPixel
ty, very much!

@Shamblernaut
... it never occurred to me just how silly it is shading on what really should be a dynamically lit model

I must say I really disagree. Sure eventually you're going to be right. But given the years of ugly plasticy looking video game renderers we witnessed ever since normalmaps entered the jungle the handpainted artwork is one of the reasons why I like quake/old games so much.
Sadly, nowadays this kind of stuff has drifted a bit into the cartoonish world of games like Dota or Lol. 

True, the tech needs to be able to emulate what you would have been able to convey with shading. The benefit is that it is dynamic. Things like the reflection on your models visor should be dynamic rather than static.

But yeah, it was a comment on the ideal situation, certainly not what is best for quake. 

Strong reflections do look very good in modern games and painting that stuff is in fact silly. 

There is an updated version of the Authentic Models package after all. I didn't find it earlier, so I went ahead and made my own candidate version a while ago. This one is dated March 2nd and contains the new Shambler model.

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/models/auth_mdl13.zip

I don't need to make and publish my own after all. This one is by the same guy as the previous versions.