actually, on second thought, my last post might not be entirely correct.

I noticed it on a different powerup I was making, but that powerup uses the same cshift values as stock liquid 'haze' colour, so it might be that DP is trying to fake waterwarp on 'fake' water effects (ie: if a mod tries to fake water with cshift). 

Thanks for all the feedback, I went through the Ftiz source looking for clues. I found all the v_cshift stuff but could not work out where the warp effect was coming from. I assume it is a point content check somewhere and a special routine to do the warp effect.

@ijed, thanks for the console command, that is very cool, I will try that on lower settings so the screen is not completely static. It is a shame there is no console command for the warp, it would have been the icing on the cake for my setup. 

To seeing whatever it is. 

What's the best way of having a message pop up? Let's say like 2 or 3 times with a little delay between beeps? 

trigger_multiple 

I was wondering... A program to read the .map file. Assign the quake monsters a difficulty rating of 1-10. Have the program count each using the appear flags. You could get the relative difficultly at each skill level.

Another idea. Is there a way to keep score? Count up total damage done at the end of a map or even have running total. 

That would only give you a very general idea.

Consider an ogre on the same height as the player vs an ogre on a ledge above the player.

Consider fighting a shambler with LG vs fighting a shambler with a DBS. 

Resuming, Worldcraft 3.3 + qadapter by Baker doesn't save.

Actually, it's more like it reverts to a previously saved stage.

Example: just yesterday, i was mapping all the evening, saving over the old archive always and testing the changes frequently, and closing the program 2 times on that time frame without reseting. But after seeing that it's going to be dark soon, i save again and close the Worldcraft. I remember i forgot something to do, i load the program and the map again, only to see that the map is at the stage that it was in the middle of the evening. It just choose one random one. I don't think it's related, but if i try to load the .map on Quark to check if the truth is that the last save is still there, it gives me an error and doesn't let me check it. I'll try with Radiant next time. B the way, the .bsp is fine.

I do think it happened again some months ago, when i copied a different map to another computer. This time it reverted to a stage one week previous to the last one when i copied it back into my computer. But i'm not sure about this last one. I still have to check into that other computer.

If anyone knows of this, it would be a great help some advice, if this keeps on, i'll have to quit WC.

Thx in advance to anyone that answers. 

i save again

I call BS!

I have lost work before from not saving. You're not the only one. 

I'll be more precise.

What im trying to say, it's that EVEN if I SAVE the map a LOT of times, it goes back to a previous save, not the penultimate, one or 2, 3, ... even before of that one. Not that it happens all the times.

I'll repeat the first example:
- 0) Run the WC
- 1) Work in my map.
- 2) I save the map.
- 3) Close the Worldcraft, completely.
- 4) Run the Worldcraft again, the map is there as i saved it in 2), no problem.
- 5) Work again on it
- 6) Save again the map
- 7) Close the Worldcraft again, completely.
- 8) Run the Worldcraft again. Load the map, and the map is like it was in 0), but we know that WC saved it in 2) because in 4) we saw that the map was saved.

Is it clear now? :) 

Yeah, wonder why we still don't have a QC or engine mod with more elaborate stats a-la DM: damage done/ received, accuracy for each weapon, items picked up etc. Would fun for players and helpful for designers. 

I have no idea! That's fucked up. Are you sure you installed Worldcraft 3.3 and not Witchcraft 3.3? Have you tried using Worldcraft 3.4 instead? I don't know, but if that's a bug, maybe they fixed it in 3.4....... 

Open a dropbox account and save your levels there - that will give you an extra backup if things get lost or broken.

In fact, let me invite you so I can get more free space! 

Might not solve your problem.

Personally I find it's better to save everything to the cloud in any case, just in case. 

necros: I was thinking just for level design a quick way to see whats going on enemy wise at various skill levels.

RickyT23: "Witchcraft 3.3" :) it feels that way sometimes late at night when you should have just gone to bed.

slapmap: We should have stats. Might make SP more competitive. 

The only advantage to Worldcraft that I see now is the extra texture information, and making very accurate (non terrain) large brush structures. Other than that I find the workflow is very slow in comparison to TB and it doesn't really support complex terrain (amongst many other things).
Personally I haven't used WC since trench came out. 

I'll probably try to mend this by using ''save as...'', for making different versions, and saving things to another places. I use to do that when working on 3d modelling so i could go back to a previous stage, not that this give an noticiable advantage when mapping, but can be useful.

Fifhtelephant: i should try at least TB, i did try Quark back in the nineties but i didn't like it, but after so many ears with WC is hard to change.

Ijed: that's a good idea, i'll think about it. And i'll do too about your offer :)

RickyT23: about the 3.4, i read that it doesn't provide anything useful for quake mapping. I looked too at the changelog and haven't seen anything about bugs. I read too that 3.4 is considered Hammer, and Valve doesn't give permission to make maps outside HL with Hammer.

Back in the nineties i thought too that it was Witchcraft 1.2, with so many errors and issues at the compiler that i didn't know about.

Now i know most of them thanks to so many useful documents on the net. There is still one that i don't know how it works, after checking everywhere and in the document that is provided with issues for Beng Jardrup tools too: it is the ''can't find /id1/maps/yyy.bsp, there is no such file or directory'' that shows at the compiler and stops it. I usually fix it by removing the last brushes i put in, but it's weird, it shouldn't be related to that. 

You can drop it into the Worldcraft 3.3 directory and it works well.

I can confirm one difference - the pointfile loads and is visible in the 3D view of the editor. This feature does not exist in WC 3.3
You can load a pointfile but it is only visible in the 2D views. 

I uploaded this Hammer 3.51 the last version of Hammer 3.x I found. I converted Quake models to HL format to have them show in editor (not very good conversion). The leak file support is good. Saves time because you don't have to do a complete compile to find leaks. Stop the batch file after the leak is reported and load the pointfile in WC.

http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/tools/windows/level_editors/HammerV351wtools.7z 

A lot of people are going to great lengths to hack in support for glass in the their levels, usually this requires setting water alpha or some other such thing and also using skip textures. And coupled with this much larger than normal polygons you will almost guarantee that a new engine is required.
So this begs the question, why go to all this trouble when the most popular engines support alpha brushes? I literally just found a post on inside3d saying fitzquake supported this, so does directq and RMQ...
I must have spent a good half-day this week trying to implement glass in a hacky way when I could have simply applied a key to determine the alpha of a brush.
Is there something I am missing here for all this hacking trouble? Why not just use an alpha key? 

Would be the biggest reason I suppose. The water "hack" works on all engines, whereas the .alpha key works on most, but not all.

The joys of custom Quake engines and all their different standards :D 

in RMQ, quakespasm, directq, fitzquake and darkplaces (afaik, untested but apparently it works).
It doesn't work in Quake Pro and Makaqu (and qbism by that extension).

I understand that it's a compatibility thing but if you use a texture with alpha then if your engine doesn't support it then at least you get a nice texture instead of a completely flat coloured surface. I seem to be missing the point in catering to bad engines with a bad solution.... 

would be awesome if you could set up a brush with a mirror in the exact same way you can set up a window. Coupled with transparency and coloured lighting you could effectively mimic Unreal. :P
(all we'd need after that would be uv motion textures and in-map skyboxes) 

I understand your concern for the wicked way to add glass in the Quake1 world.

I remember I was already glad to add a trigger_once with health 999 to propose the glass feeling of a space where there was nothing, but didn't let through.
Caught up in the old times of the QuakeLab on BBS in 1996.

I'm not a perfectionist and I'm sure there are lots of ways to use the alpha channel in a brush and tell the engine to add water_alpha 0.4
I think it's more like not suspecting an 18 year old engine with primary limitations can do things like that.
There's the console command, or the autoexec.bat for in use.

Also there is a slight feeling I get that in time of the quake area like medieval, glass was quiet a rare object.
It would be the same like wondering why the knights don't caugh frozen breath in icy environnements.

But I won't break you up in your search to engine upgrading, that was not my intention. 

You make a good point about glass in Medieval periods however the Wizard, Stucco and perhaps the Base levels (although I'd rather do the Hipnotic \ Custents Force Field effects if given the choice on Base levels) all have window textures in the original levels so the idea of glass is already there so it may not be all that out of line with the environment.

Besides that it's supposed to be another world with some familiar aspects relative to Earth so a little bit of mix and match is to be expected.

Or maybe U;m over thinking it...