Scampie map - awesome, keep it going.

Fifth map - awesome, keep it going.

Zwiffle map - awesome, keep it going.

Pixels - pure shite but who gives a fuck at least we can easily make the game look good and proper with the usual GL renderers. 

Pixels - pure shite but who gives a fuck at least we can easily make the game look good and proper with the usual GL renderers.

nice opinion u got there m8 

Where everyone plays favorites and everyone is in bed with everyone else whilst comparing who has the biggest and thickest map to use to violate everyone else. 

bigger is larger than your worst! 

Mentioned in #12510 and some following messages, Enclave is on Steam sale until the 5th. Amran posted some screens of his custom map for it, if you don't remember.

The game is also being given away for free (in the form of a Steam key) with every new account on DLH.net!

I released a version of the map a while ago, and also the source for it if anyone is interested in a closer look. I'd be excited to work on more content for the game, and a collaboration with others would be interesting to do as well. The link to the map is below (and the source files can be found under the 'downloads' section).
Northern Watch (on ModDB)

More information on the map and a progression video are included under this topic (Ogier-Editor). 

http://imgur.com/Nl2ZTCk ive looked at all sky textures and changing them to moving every brush to a different location to moving lights. Why is this little bug happening? Bengt Jardrup light tools. Thanks for the help. Sorry Shambler for something k? 

http://imgur.com/Nl2ZTCk ive looked at all sky textures and changing them to moving every brush to a different location to moving lights. Why is this little bug happening? Bengt Jardrup light tools. Thanks for the help. Sorry Shambler for something k? 

not sure.. I would see if my light tool makes any difference: http://ericwa.github.io/tyrutils-ericw/

Also, what engine is that? There is a bug that 64-bit engine builds can have that looks like that. Check in quakespasm? 

Right - technically my first almost finished map (started on spz1dm2ftk after this)

Somewhat inspired by cpm3 and Aerowalk-ish.
Feedback welcome.

Screenies:
http://quaketastic.com/files/spz1dm1_1.jpg
http://quaketastic.com/files/spz1dm1_2.jpg
http://quaketastic.com/files/spz1dm1_3.jpg
http://quaketastic.com/files/spz1dm1_4.jpg

Known issue: Textures on 2 spots not lining up after compiling yet it's correct in TB.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/0aczfxuv8cnfcvl/spz1dm1.rar 

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/screen_shots/5thdm1a.jpg

Basically an expanded DM1 style map, heavy influences in places and straight up rip off in others. 

Looking good so far.

I think on the walkway on screen 2 you should stick some trims on there.

Screen 3 there should be a little extra detail, lots of flat space that could do with filling.

All in all though this is a really lovely looking effort for a first map, you should be proud. Looks very classic id. 

nice

one day I wanted to combine all e2 maps (except the base, though even that could be used as a "gateway point" across a bridge or something) into one giant megamap. Riffing on the original content is always interesting. Your shot looks suitably eldritch! 

I made you a demo with all my thoughts on your map... I'm hoping it's constructive. I think your map has loads of potential.

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/demos/5thspzdm1.zip 

Thanks dude. I like the idea of the having a mega-map made from an episode. Though I would probably choose E4 because I'm a sadist.
Actually there's quite a few places in my map where I took inspiration from Episode 4. For example I didn't use the 64x64 sized buttons, I made Sandy style thin buttons (the tall brick style with the sword?). I also threw a bunch of spawns in there too, very under-used enemy that doesn't feel unfair if you stick em in the right place. 

Thanks for the feedback. I'm visiting family but will check out the demo when I get home this evening. I've been trying to think of ways to fill out the SNG / RL room and even the platform it's on now was only added before upload. 

Fixed the stairs near GL, wasn't really very fond of that setup myself. Trimmed the lava walkway. I was only aware of the grenades that get stuck on down angles and not the look down thing so will see what I can do there, Contemplating a room through that wall and maybe shifting SSG + GA there. The 1 unit lip on the trims came from q3dm6 but I was very much in two minds about it, flattened it again.

The weird angle near the bottom RL is also intentional as the stairs are clipped off to allow for angle jumps. You can jump from the bottom stairs onto the platform with the TB (and if timed correctly up to the YA from the pillars angle too).

I figured lighting is going to be an issue for me. Still looking for decent lighting guides. Things that say "If you're having this issue try this" etc instead of the current "this command does this" versions out there. Having big problems lighting spz1dm2 due to this.

Might have to move some weapons around and maybe even drop TB entirely. I stayed away from powerups due to wanting more of a 1v1 map but have contemplated a TDM version featuring an extra room or so with at least a Quad.

Thanks for the lots of z-axis comment. Was definitely a theme I was trying to go for. 

For lighting it might be worth checking out this guide, it's a little out-dated -

https://shoresofnis.wordpress.com/guides/lighting-basics/

This has some stuff you might be interested in -

http://ericwa.github.io/tyrutils-ericw/

and this isn't for quake but you may find the general advice to be sound -

http://www.worldofleveldesign.com/categories/wold-members-tutorials/magnar_jenssen/functional-lighting-magnar-jenssen.php


My own advice when lighting is concerned -

If you have a light (like a spotlight) then put a bright light near the source, like something that is light 300-400, but make the "wait" key 3 or 4. Then use a fill light. That is a light that is lower brightness, like 100-200, then use "wait" of a sub-decimal. Maybe 0.7 perhaps.

Doing the above gives you a nice bright light source but fills the room with a nice level of ambient light. You could even double up on the spotlight effect by having a bright light near the ground where it would hit.

You could try messing with the "delay" key, mappers like Sock tend to create fill lighting with a delay of 5, a wait of 2 and a light of 1000. This will ensure the light will fill an area nicely but wont look super bright due to the way delay works.

Another thing with lighting is shadows. Having the interplay of light and shadow is always good. Think about how you can obstruct a light in interesting ways to cast shadows with interesting shapes. It's not practical in a realism sense but Quake is a very abstract world.

Lighting takes practice, and I would say copying is the best way to achieve your goals. Try and emulate nice lighting scenes, look at other maps that have good lighting and emulate it. The key to making maps and getting good at it is making test maps. I guarantee that every mapper here has 5 times as many test maps than the amount they release.


That's lighting.

When balancing weapons and powerups I find you need to ensure that a player has to work hard to dominate. So make weapons spread out as much as possible. Some weapons you will need multiples of, like the super shotty and nail gun. This enables new spawn players to be able to arm up against players with the rocket launcher or lightning gun. Put powerful items in more dangerous places, this gives you a risk/reward scenario where taking risks net you a reward. Like putting a Quad in a tricky jump over lava, or a rocket launcher at the bottom of a central atrium (moving into an open area makes you a sitting duck but if you get the gun then you'll be powerful).
Put powerups in secret out-of-the-way areas.

I used to love making DM maps, getting the gameplay balance right takes a lot of thought. 

A nice little way of adding extra depth to your lighting is by adding -dirt to your light.exe command. It will add fake ambient occlusion and make corner areas darker. You may want to bump up the brightness a little to accommodate for this but you will find that scenes "pop out" a bit more and add extra depth. 

oh man I would love to see someone try to fit E4 into a mega-map, but I have no idea how anyone could go about it. My plan was to just stack the e2 maps and/or use them as different sides of the same giant structure in a swamp, calling it "The Tower of Black Magic." I'd love to win the lottery and dedicate 6 months or a year to that. But if you were picking E4, it's hard to say what the meta-environment would be; certainly not a swamp. Much of E4 is indoor without even a sense of any outdoors existing, which is part of why it's so strange. Maybe the meta-environment could be piles of dark stones, ancient ruins, or just void? What's "outside" The Tower of Despair? 

your tools are fucking amazing. texture alignment actually matches what is in radiant. surface lighting is going to make lighting maps so easy. thanks man. 

Where can I upload a beta of my map for some of you to test? 

I would suggest Quaketastic:
http://www.quaketastic.com/ 

i had started on something like that but at the time bsp2 wasn't common and it was well over standard extended limits... now though....

my plan had been to use the nameless city map as a hub and then glue the major parts of each map around it.

the nameless city would become a more outdoor area and you'd eventually be able to explore hills and such around between all the other maps. i never really got far with e4 (little more than taking the sky brushes off of it) but i do have an e2 which has a decent start but I got sidetracked with trying to do some weird base monster vs demons war thing which ended up being dumb :P 

Make a 6 megamap remake of id1. One of the levels becoming the hub / filler for all the others is cool as well. I wonder if it could be done removing all the end/start level teleports and using some sort of extended key system.

The RMQ map scraps have could be useful... just sayin. 

the big problem which made me stop completely on the e2 remix was there's not enough room in +/- 4096.

the way I wanted the e2 one was to have all the maps connected by terrain as if they were on giant world. you could explore each map separately in whatever order, but there were not gates that would stop you from finishing any one map without visiting at least another.

but yeah, you'd need at least +/- 8192 to really get it done nicely.