Also I made this lil bad boy. https://twitter.com/skacky/status/759759608579710976 

Skacky,

Wow, that's impressive.

The tower near the center in this old screenshot is rotated on a 2:3 slope and everything is on grid, but it's not nearly as complicated as a satellite dish and it still took me the better part of two mornings to get it right.

http://quaketastic.com/files/screen_shots/wish13_o.jpg 

But a start nonetheless! Had the itch to make a Quake map, and with a pipes/plumbers theme I can't possibly resist this jam.

Two quick questions before I continue:

1.) Is there a J.A.C.K. version of the Quoth 2.2 FGD available anywhere? The included one works just fine, but doesn't have the models configured or (I think) the bounding boxes. There's a Jackhammer version from some years ago, but it's not for Quoth 2.2 and is missing a bunch of entities. I can work without it, don't get me wrong, I just want to make sure I'm not missing a file somewhere.

2.) Is it expected that players will by default be able to select the plasma gun? Or at least that they'll know they need to bind a key to "impulse 250"? I haven't played many Quoth maps, and my installation was using the Scourge of Armagon binds until I changed them. 9 and 0 were impulse 225 and 226, respectively. Can I safely use the plasma gun in my map and expect that people will know how to switch to it?

As for my progress, there hasn't been much. I hadn't realized there's a beta version of OBJ2MAP that supports UV coordinate conversion, available at http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61207 in post #66. I also didn't realize the source code was available, and lost a few days trying to write my own version, only to hit a brick wall when it came to understanding the .map UV coordinate system. Affine texture mapping, or what have you? I'm in over my head. Incidentally, if anyone needs a Stanford PLY to MAP converter, I have the beginnings of a codebase. :)

Anyway, once I found the newer OBJ2MAP (and made a tiny tweak to the code to get Blender's flipped V coordinates working), I came up with a quick test map:

https://twitter.com/ItEndsWithTens/status/759780657732222976

Dragged out a spline, bent and twisted it a bit, and even played around with some photogrammetry stuff I'd been poking at for the past few months. No guarantee any of it will make its way to a finished map, but goddamn it's fun. Hopefully things will flow now that the gears are greased.

If we're being honest, everybody's screenshots so far are more inspiring than I thought I'd ever see from base-themed maps, keep it up! Skacky, you are a madman. I love it. 

ItEndsWithTens Do you work on a fork? I will release auto convexer soon and would like to add your fix too (as an option).
There is wip branch where you can find few smaller updates like MAP version toggle, progress info during MAP conversion etc. 

No, no proper fork just yet; I really don't know what I'm doing, to be perfectly honest. I just cloned your bitbucket repository and checked out the wip branch to play around and see if I could figure out the problem.

Unfortunately, as just barely shown by the second screenshot in the tweet I linked (see the bottom of the pipe, the dark trim with the rivets is stretched more than it should be), my "fix" isn't really a fix, more of a brute force workaround that doesn't solve the problem a hundred percent.

My changes were miniscule: in MAPCreation.cs, in TexCoordsForFace just after var V = verts; and var T = uvs; are defined, I added this:

foreach (var t in T)
{
��if (t.V > 0.0)
����t.V = -t.V;
}

It's naive, to say the least, and apparently isn't the right solution, but worked around the issue well enough for most of what I was doing. I think someone with some actual 3D graphics experience under their belt would need to dig into the problem before you incorporate any changes into your code.

I can put together a package of .obj files and textures for you to test with, if you'd like. 

Yes please, but I doubt I will fix it before Jam's deadline. 

Here you go: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/58846038/obj2map-uvtest-itendswithtens.zip

More detailed info is in the included readme, and the zip includes all source files and exported results.

Don't worry about the deadline, I'm in no rush to get anything fixed for my project; if I use any of this stuff it'll be in very limited capacity.

Thanks for taking a look! 

Nice to see even more people jumping aboard the jam. Keep at it.

I myself shall be mapping again in about an hour.

https://www.twitch.tv/ionous 

1.) Is there a J.A.C.K. version of the Quoth 2.2 FGD available anywhere? The included one works just fine, but doesn't have the models configured or (I think) the bounding boxes. There's a Jackhammer version from some years ago, but it's not for Quoth 2.2 and is missing a bunch of entities. I can work without it, don't get me wrong, I just want to make sure I'm not missing a file somewhere.

There's a fgd with models packaged with TrenchBroom, might want to try and and see if it's also compatible with J.A.C.K. 

Still going.

https://twitter.com/princentvice/status/759909236579012608 

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/Jam7/jam7_ionousE.jpg

3858 brushes. I think I'm one third done. 

 

This will be one heck of a jam! Great to see so many people participate.

I was dinking around with some brushes, I am not sure if I can make the deadline however. :O 

Doing great!

Except I have to redo 50% of the map again. There is some weird issues with one door and one big main hall area, and haven't been able to find the problem in map's geometry/brushes - so it's better to make everything from the very beginning. At least there is over 1 week still jamming time left.

Here is something to look at, if interested:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwxYkKdSD855TVJ6Z0w3Z0t0SVE/view 

Just a thought,

is that crashing area outside or close to the boundary limits? (-4096, 4096)

Looks good so far in any case! 

Yeah it was first*

I moved it so far from that negative position as possible and then it started working.. but even though I moved it that it doesn't freeze immediately, now it only freezes.. later when I move near the corner(maybe) but 100% at the time when shooting near the Main Hall door, it suddenly freezes when "the right" moment seems to match or something. I really don't know how it exactly triggers. First I thought it had to do something wierd complex floor geometry.. I simplyfied it as much I could, to look like the other areas I made earlier.. but it was already in good shape in my opinion.

But it is not really big deal making a same idea again* every time I recreate some of my ideas in this map, I have better sense of space required for movement/action that is going to happen. I want to make it feel better anyway* dealing with large scales really push me to look space more carefully.

It is wierd that area that had the most amount of little geometry worked flawlessly when testing earlier, and then the larger scale "very empty" space is giving me this much hard time. 

Yes, it seems like not that area I mentioned, but the other part of the map goes a little bit over those boundaries. Should the skybox also be inside those limits (I assume yes). 

Just for ruling it out, confine everything so it is not going passed the boundaries. 

Unfortunately, it still didn't fixed issued with that one specific area* but I already started redoing it, so this time I'm trying to be more careful yet systematic.

Anyway ~ thanks for letting me know that important fact 

dude try to load this map to J.A.C.K. and prez Alt + P to find problems in geometry and textures. Maybe it will help and save your time? 

Thanks man~

Though I checked and there wasn't any errors, but that will be really helpful sooner or later.

I remade that area and time was not wasted, I'm sure about that* Sometimes it is just easier to remade than try to fix it. 

I know Quoth comes with a few skyboxes but can we supply our own as long as they are packaged with our individual submission?

In other news, I am going to participate in this jam either way! 

Yeah you can. 

Ah that's great, was really feeling some sort of late afternoon or evening setting for my map idea.

Thanks Skacky! 

There's a fgd with models packaged with TrenchBroom, might want to try and and see if it's also compatible with J.A.C.K.

Thank you! It's not the right format, unfortunately, but it did get me going in the right direction. The quoth2.fgd available on your site has some conflicts with Daz's FGD for ericw's tools, but I was able to combine them by hand and use the copy included with TrenchBroom as a guide for getting the models working.

If anyone else wants to take a look, feel free: https://gist.github.com/ItEndsWithTens/200c881f2522af324767be1433c4391e

It's still very much in the early stages, and there are some Jack-specific issues I'll need to take up with Xaerox, but corrections and suggestions are welcome!