Kinn
#12465 posted by Tyrann on 2013/03/06 00:06:25
Good news: current git version of tyrutils qbsp with func_group support has no problems with bdwtest07.map.
Help The Noob :)
#12466 posted by Dunno on 2013/03/06 18:19:51
Hi, I'm completely new at mapping for Quake. I found this site via Carmack's tweet and thought I'd give it a try. So I have a very basic question-how do you save your map so it is seen by Quake? And what do you have to do to just make it work? I'm on Mac OS X 10.6. Thank you!
Hey "dunno"
There's several things you need on top of the TrenchBroom editor. When you make levels with it it will save .map files. These then need to be converted to the quake .bsp file format (which is in turn placed in quake/id/maps).
To create a .bsp file you'll need a BSP program, a Light program and a Vis program.
You can download these tools from here -
http://disenchant.net/files/utils/tyrutils-0.5-win32.zip
Next you'll want to make compiling your .map to .bsp super easy so download Necros compiling program -
http://shoresofnis.wordpress.com/2010/03/30/ne_q1spcompilinggui/
And you'll also need to get yourself the textures used in Quake to create your levels, the one that has all the standard textures in one .wad file are here -
https://www.quaddicted.com/files/wads/id.wad.zip
Also the help document for TrenchBroom is here -
http://kristianduske.com/trenchbroom/docs/
But He's On A Mac
#12468 posted by SleepwalkR on 2013/03/06 19:08:58
You will need these tools:
http://disenchant.net/files/utils/tyrutils-0.5-osx.zip
and the compiling GUI doesn't run on the Mac. You will have to look at the command line parameters of the tools, I'm afraid. Are you familiar with the Terminal?
He's On Mac OSX
#12469 posted by negke on 2013/03/06 19:10:25
So those tools won't help. Are there native Mac versions available somewhere? Has someone ever attempted to port BJP's compilers?
Oh, I See
#12470 posted by negke on 2013/03/06 19:10:53
(stop beating me to it)
I Have
#12471 posted by SleepwalkR on 2013/03/06 19:35:42
ported BJPs tools to OS X, but I haven't published them. But I will provide OS X builds of rebb's tools at some point.
My Mistake...!
My brain was half-asleep! :P
Thanks A Lot!
#12473 posted by Dunno on 2013/03/06 21:06:42
The main thing I love about open-source communities is that everyone is always so eager to help, even if their brains are half-asleep :D
I have windows installed on my Mac (boot camp), so I guess I can download those utilities for windows and use those. From what I understand, these formats are cross-platform compatible, right?
And I've already downloaded the WAD and read the help :)
Thanks again
P.S:
#12474 posted by Dunno on 2013/03/06 21:09:55
I use Terminal now and then, so I'll also give Mac utils a try :)
#12475 posted by JneeraZ on 2013/03/06 21:11:26
If you can use Windows, I would just use Windows. Tools and utilities for the Mac are few and far between...
But yes, the file formats are all compatible.
No, That's Not True
#12476 posted by SleepwalkR on 2013/03/06 21:48:11
Tyrann's tools are readily available for the Mac, so there's really no need to go to Windows for this. Also, the quakespasm engine (quakespasm.sourceforge.net) is cross-platform and runs very well on the Mac.
#12477 posted by JneeraZ on 2013/03/06 21:56:08
You can get by, yes. But you don't have many choices. There's usually one of everything so I hope you like it! :)
True
#12478 posted by SleepwalkR on 2013/03/06 22:15:06
But tyrann's tools are pretty good!
#12479 posted by JneeraZ on 2013/03/06 22:41:16
That they are.
#12480 posted by necros on 2013/03/07 04:04:01
and the compiling GUI doesn't run on the Mac.
rats, i've been thinking i should remake that gui in java for cross platform. :(
Me Again
#12481 posted by Dunno on 2013/03/07 18:25:34
So I've made my very first map in Trenchbroom and saved it as .map. Now I have a probably very silly problem - I'm clueless as to how I should install qbsp and other utils. It's not as simple as a double click, is it? Thanks!
Just place the compiling programs in the same folder as your .map file and run them like this -
qbsp.exe mymap
vis.exe mymap
light.exe mymap
Where mymap is the name of your map... once you have run all three it should load your level! (just hope you put some lights in there and also the info_player_start entity!)
#12483 posted by JneeraZ on 2013/03/07 18:55:58
You'll also have to copy the BSP file to your "quake/id1/maps" folder.
Translation To Mac ;-)
#12484 posted by SleepwalkR on 2013/03/07 19:02:25
Open a terminal and run the following
cd <path to your map>
./qbsp mymap
./vis mymap
./light mymap
Notes:
1. You can enter the path to your map file by dragging it onto terminal, so you can enter cd<space> and then just drag the folder where your map is located onto the terminal window. Then hit Return (in the Terminal).
2. I'm not sure whether the names of the compiler tools in the above description are accurate. They might be different.
3. You can download Mac versions of the compiler tools from http://disenchant.net
Thanks!
#12485 posted by Dunno on 2013/03/08 14:28:28
Funny, I've really searched many different help sites, but none said anything about putting map and utils in the same folder... the Mac utils still don't work, however (I'm on 10.6, maybe wrong version), so I'll have to stick to windows.
Thanks a lot, guys :)
#12486 posted by Dunno on 2013/03/08 15:40:30
I hope I don't bother you guys too much with my questions, but since there's not much help available I'm pretty much forced to ask people around. I've noticed the Create Brush Entity/Trigger/Teleport and the Teleport Destination entity, but I don't know how to make them work :/
Still, I am quite happy I got to the point where Quake finally recognizes my map :D
Thank you!
Oops
#12487 posted by Dunno on 2013/03/08 15:41:58
I forgot to explain that I'm trying to make a teleport, and that's what I need help with ;)
You Need
#12488 posted by ijed on 2013/03/08 16:21:40
Two things - the trigger area, which can be any brush, usually painted with a 'trigger' texture so you know what it is at a glance.
Turn that into an entity 'trigger_teleport' and make a info_teleport_destination.
Call the target of the trigger and the targetname of the destination the same thing, it doesn't matter what as long as they're the same.
"my_first_teleporter" or whatever :)
And it'll work. Problem is you won't be able to see the trigger in game - you'll just vanish and reappear at the destination when touching its area.
So you can include another brush there with the starfield texture which will make it a liquid volume, and look like the teleporters in the original maps.
Final thing to remember - all triggers are rectangles, if you include more brushes inside then they will just draw a big box over the top encompassing all of it to make a box.
In other words, prism trigger shape = rectange trigger volume.
It Works!
#12489 posted by Dunno on 2013/03/08 17:33:47
Hooray! Man, I love this feeling :D
However, two issues showed up. The powerups (quad damage and invisibility) don't work. I only used drag&drop, do they need extra attention? The other thing are messed up textures, like when you enter void with noclip. Can it be caused by a leak I've overlooked or something? The map is basically a box with flying ledges connected with stairs and bridges, maybe the box is too big?
Thanks again, I'm having wonderful fun :D
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