That Was Short :)
#12355 posted by mechtech on 2013/01/13 14:50:49
Long Answer...
#12356 posted by ijed on 2013/01/13 17:17:25
We tried for a func_detail entity, and it worked. But functionally its the same as a func_wall. To keep shadows you can place floating blocks (that don�t touch anything else) inside the func_.
The big issue to overcome however is flickering entity. The RMQ engine has this. Basically, if a func_whatever crosses more than x visleafs thenit�ll flicker / dissapear as the player moves through different leafs, thinking that the object can no longer be seen.
If you saw the floating galley I did in one of the RMQ demos - that entire thing was func_. Although lighting did suffer because I didn�t add any shadow clipping blocks.
Vis blocking can solve lots of stuff as well. Bit busy, but try searching �doughnut corridor�. Adding switchbacks and doglegs should always speed up vis against a map with open corridors.
If you�re doing a void style thing as opposed to room-corridor-room then you�ll have to use other tricks, like sealing off rooms with sky brushes.
Thats The Trick Lighting!!
#12357 posted by mechtech on 2013/01/13 17:38:28
ijed Thanks for the info. I do know the vis tricks. Had a thought of making the whole thing into a bsp model and using skip and clip, connect to other rooms with vis blocked halls. maybe....
If only func_ could do lighting.
Func
#12358 posted by ijed on 2013/01/13 21:10:55
Receives light, but doesn't cast shadows. Its still possible to get decent looking stuff with it, but more likely to produce artefacts as well.
Obj In Quake Maps
#12359 posted by gb on 2013/01/14 10:45:26
will not be solid, while the q3map2 compiler can simply compile it into the map, including clipping.
Wc3.3 Radiant 1.5 Problem
#12360 posted by horrorprn on 2013/01/14 12:54:31
I made a map in radiant then used worldcraft to compile it, when I did it saved over the map in some crazy valve format that radiant can't read, is there any way to bring it back?
You Dont Need To Use WC To Compile
#12361 posted by RickyT33 on 2013/01/14 13:01:50
Use TxQBSP to make the .map into a .bsp
Use WVis to do the vis process
Use Light to do the light.
Horrorprn
#12362 posted by that's all well and good. on 2013/01/14 13:09:50
but how do I get the sucker back into worldcraft?
File> Export To Map?
#12363 posted by RickyT33 on 2013/01/14 13:16:56
No Dice
#12364 posted by horrorprn on 2013/01/14 13:33:45
it says it's saving it as a game map, when I open it in notepad++ data is formatted differently and when I open it in radiant it says it was expecting a # instead of a [
Tricky
#12365 posted by ijed on 2013/01/14 14:15:19
AFAIK - although I heard mention of a script that strips out the extra texture information that WC adds.
Essentially it adds a few numbers to every brush to describe extra texture information - which is how WC3.3 manages to have so many more controls for alignment.
Not familiar with Radiant but if it refuses to read a WC3.3 level then maybe another editor will allow you to convert it back. Beware though, since you could well lose all texture alignment using either a script or editor to bring it back.
#12366 posted by gb on 2013/01/14 16:38:33
WC saves in Half-Life / Valve 220 format. Someone posted a converter program at quakeone.com once, but I don't remember who or when. It might have been Scrama...
http://scrama.3dn.ru/tmp/MapConverter.zip
I haven't tested it.
http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-help/servers-coding/3997-half-life-bsp-q1-8.html
Awesome
#12367 posted by horrorprn on 2013/01/15 00:51:57
it worked.
#12368 posted by gb on 2013/01/15 12:21:57
Nice. (This means Worldcraft can theoretically be used for q3bsp/rbsp/fbsp mapping, too.)
#12369 posted by necros on 2013/01/20 02:59:02
In a map editor, would it be useful to be able to create new textures out of multiple brushes without having to go into a 2D editor?
Yes
#12370 posted by than on 2013/01/20 03:15:33
A lot of the textures people make are combinations of existing textures done in order to reduce r_speeds. This would be great for trims etc.
It doesn't take that long to do in a 2d editor though, and obviously you can do more.
#12371 posted by - on 2013/01/20 09:47:46
Most of the textures I make are things I can't do with brushes.
What I do wish is that I could swap textures in a wad while Radiant is loaded and refresh the wad when desired.
#12372 posted by - on 2013/01/20 09:48:46
Not that making textures in editor would be a bad feature if it could be added.
Sounds Like Nice Feature
#12373 posted by negke on 2013/01/20 12:01:51
I Don�t Get It
#12374 posted by ijed on 2013/01/20 17:08:19
You mean arranging brushes so that the texture looks different? I do this already quite a lot.
Do you mean capturing such a configuration and saving it out to a 2D format?
#12375 posted by necros on 2013/01/20 17:30:47
The latter.
I do the former all the time, but it tends to waste vertices and inflates clipnodes and visleafs.
Interesting
#12376 posted by mechtech on 2013/01/20 20:58:25
Combine textures to combine brushes. Would this also help the lightmap?
Highlight multiple faces create the texture then merge brushes apply new texture. Is that the idea?
#12377 posted by necros on 2013/01/20 21:37:55
Pretty much. It's kind of like, you'll be mapping and making your trims as usual. You realize you'll probably have the same trim + texture layout everywhere so you just make a new texture right there on the spot, inject it into the wad and keep going.
Brushwork Textures
#12378 posted by sock on 2013/01/21 00:35:58
This is pretty much how I created most of the textures for my MOD, In The Shadows. Once I had a brushwork template I liked the look of, I did a print screen of the brushwork and then painted over it in PS. Added the new texture to my WAD and then tested the texture on the brushwork. After that it was a simple case of brushwork cut and paste.
I also re-used sections of the texture for variety detail and odd angles, so each new texture could be used multiple times and still be consistent.
This approach can create a consistency with architectural shapes and textures. It will also make a map feel like a designed location rather than a haphazard combination of brushwork and texture.
Jealous
#12379 posted by than on 2013/01/22 18:30:57
" After that it was a simple case of brushwork cut and paste. "
Ah, the joys of proper texture lock that works.
Not really sure why I still use wc1.6a.
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