OTP
#12267 posted by necros on 2012/11/30 01:24:04
You had 'state' set to '1' on the sound entity. this was stopping it from working the way I described earlier.
if you remove that (or set to 0) and then put 'wait' to 999999, it should work.
Thanks!
Necros
#12269 posted by negke on 2012/12/16 13:24:46
How exactly did you do that perma-powerup trick in ne_tower? I tried the same (respawning items in a remote closet, teleport destination inside ceiling), but it's very unsmooth. If I remember correctly, it wasn't even noticable in your map.
Func_movewall
#12270 posted by mechtech on 2012/12/16 18:08:28
Any tricks to make func_movewall actually work when rotating a train, with monster/player inside?
I can get several loops around the path but eventually the passenger falls out.
Perhaps two paths, don't rotate the func_movewall and rotate the rotate object. Would limit the look of it though...
Any ideas?
Nope. They suck. I tried it with my crane sequence but if the player pushes against the wall they just slip through.
Trains... Or Too Much Minecraft
#12272 posted by mechtech on 2012/12/16 22:55:35
Old school works. plain old func_train style.
I found if you make the movewall one entity, a box it works good. Just limits the design of the rotate_object to something centered around the box. Made my train a bsp model (don't have to fight texture alignment). Set up a rotate_object out in front with model set to s_null.spr and effects 8. headlight! If i can get it to go up and down hills I'll post a demo.
#12273 posted by necros on 2012/12/17 17:30:19
negke: It wasn't permanent and it wasn't completely smooth either since the view angle is not preserved when you flicker in and out of the powerup closet.
Dangerous Slime
#12274 posted by sock on 2012/12/21 00:48:32
I assume the compiler is adding water/slime/lava sounds to my map. For some reason slime and water both use the same sound so it is not easy to determine if a liquid is dangerous or not. (besides making the texture glow green!). Does anyone have some acid burning sounds to play as ambient? What does everyone do for slime? How do you show it is dangerous?
#12275 posted by metlslime on 2012/12/21 01:01:22
I've usually used a distinctive texture.
You could also add your own ambient sound emitters with a more distinctive sound.
You could also add signage that says "danger! toxic slime" near the slime pits. Or maybe skeletons floating in the slime, or floating dead fish on the surface.
Really, I question the decision to use a non-obvious texture in the first place. Do you have a good reason for doing that?
#12276 posted by sock on 2012/12/21 01:13:30
I am using a slime texture and it is green, but I am also using water alpha of 0.6 and this makes the slime look watery. Quake also makes this more of problem because it plays a water ambient sound which does make people think, 'that is green water!' :P
#12277 posted by negke on 2012/12/21 01:20:01
I assume this is about the slime in ITS? The texture is quite obvious - at least it's one of those the somewhat experienced player recognizes as slime from the original levels. However, this is obscured by the automated wateralpha which makes the texture harder to distinguish from regular dirty water. In this sense, the dark green slime texture may be better than the brighter one. Or a sizzling sound could help, although it would probably have to be dynamic as metl said. Or, since you introduced particle effects to a lot of objects, what about subtle green particles (bubbles) above the slime surface, around the edges, or around things that touch it (floating goo, some sort of residue from something that melted there earlier).
#12278 posted by necros on 2012/12/21 02:18:36
nothing to add but FYI the lava ambient sound is not implemented. There is code in the compilers and in the engine too, i think, but it doesn't do anything. :(
#12279 posted by sock on 2012/12/21 02:24:24
To be honest this is something I am surprised has not been mentioned before and probably why czg made his slime/water so dark coloured so it looks more solid and dangerous. The side effect of water alpha in engines is that dangerous liquids can look like coloured water. It is a shame the water alpha is not specific to liquid types and not across a whole level.
I am also surprised how the stupid quake engine plays a water sound for slime when it should be a burning acid sound. Luckily I got some feedback from someone who does not play quake and it is a valid point.
Just A Thought...
#12280 posted by madfox on 2012/12/21 10:25:31
I made a static model that you could use as a placeholder
to give another character to the slime.
ripple
It's a small model on 2 x 4 64 units, and can be used with every texture to create a ripple shape.
download
Sock
#12281 posted by negke on 2012/12/21 10:37:53
It's unfortunate, sure. But is it really that much of a problem if a single player gets surprised by it? You could file it as a learning experience.
Sock
#12282 posted by Spirit on 2012/12/21 11:07:03
Bright green goo on the surrounding textures maybe?
#12283 posted by sock on 2012/12/21 11:12:00
@Madfox, for some reason that ripple model looks strangely erotic, but thanks for the idea.
@negke, well I have added an acid burn sound, painted the walls green to match the slime, mentioned it in the books nearby, changed the water alpha to be thicker. The next step is putting warning signs up, I suppose I could create a medieval danger sign! :)
#12284 posted by Spirit on 2012/12/21 11:13:32
Have an Ogre visibly pee in it, no sane person would dive into after that.
#12285 posted by sock on 2012/12/21 11:36:58
If only Romeo had made that pee animation ...
Slime
#12286 posted by ijed on 2012/12/21 15:02:27
One feature in the RMQ engine is separate values for:
wateralpha
slimealpha
lavaalpha
telealpha
Would be nice to see that ported into other engines.
Func_rotate_train Custom Sound
#12287 posted by mechtech on 2012/12/21 18:52:44
Using Quoth. I can add custom sounds to path_rotate. Can func_rotate_train have a custom sound? My FGD shows sounds 0(none) or sounds 1 (ratchet)
Custom Func_rotate_train Sounds
#12288 posted by Preach on 2012/12/21 19:48:16
Yes, you can override either of the sounds by setting the noise and noise1 fields on the entity directly.
Also, re: the slime question, you can add an func_illusionary brush with a slime texture if you want opaque slime. You can add it a little bit below the waterline and get a layered effect, and you could even apply alpha to the entity if you just want lower transparency.
Thanks Preach
#12289 posted by mechtech on 2012/12/21 20:45:51
noise1 is the train run sound. Works well now just 1 more question. path_rotate plays the sound. As the train hits a path_rotate the sound is restarted (if not looped). How do I make some path_rotates not effect the sound?
Sounding Out
#12290 posted by Preach on 2012/12/21 21:07:58
The path_corner will always trigger some kind of sound when you hit it, there's no way to keep a looping sound going smoothly without it restarting. The path_corner does have the ability to replace the train's sounds, so if you've got a non-looping sound, the trick to preventing it re-sounding at the path_corner is to give that path_corner the noise "misc/null.wav". You then have to make sure you restore the sound at the next path_corner you want to hear it from - the sound is overwritten from that stop onwards!
Sorry For My Ogrografic
#12291 posted by madfox on 2012/12/22 05:36:48
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