Pity I wasn't around when Daz had his AVP2 spooging thread set up. I can see what he means now =). Basically a pretty damn cool game that does exactly what it's supposed to in capturing the whole Aliens - and Predator - vibe. More gripping than HL for me too =).

Teh bad:
- Old engine and it shows, crude skins and dated texturing....and still ran a bit slow.
- 'Feel' is sloppy and a bit glitchy.
- Story loses continuous involvement when spread over the 3 race sections.
- Some game imbalances (e.g. Pred can rely on unlimited energy, Alien can be 'trapped' if it loses too much health).
- Fairly linear.

Teh good:
- Makes good use out the engine regardless, some big outdoor maps and several spectacular scenes.
- Very atmospheric, from the gripping Aliens feel of the marine section to the manic violence of playing as an alien.
- Scary too! Whether it's from scripted shocks, gnarly sounds or just the general atmosphere.
- Playing as 3 races, great. 3 sections making it easier to play in little bits, 3 different perspectives on what's going on, 3 very different playing styles.
- Intriguing backdrop and story, lots of hints and scene setting via cutscenes and overheard conversations, really gets you wondering what's going on.
- Decent gameplay, well balanced overall, appropriate to each race, and fair boss combats. 

AvP2 is great... but avoid the mission pack like the plague, it's quite terrible. They somehow managed to completely omit all the tension and atmosphere that was so good in the original game, reducing it to a sub-Serious Sam level of crappy repetitive horde-based gameplay. Plus they tried to make Dunya a more sympathetic character by giving her a really stupid haircut. 

Well, I was hoping to get away from q3, but cheers anyway :]. UT unfortunately fails to tickle me. 

FitzQuake: http://www.celephais.net/fitzquake/
Omicron Bot: http://www.botepidemic.com/gladiator/obots/obots.html
Routes for Omicron: http://www.planetquake.com/skorpion/

Note that you can play without routes, but apparently the Omis do better with them. Also, FitzQuake isn't your typical sp00ge-lens-flaresss!!!11 type engine; instead, it is a class engine with useful bug fixes and improves the sky, lighting and other things over GLQuake. 

Correction:

Omicron Bot: http://www.planetquake.com/dl/dl.asp?skorpion/files/obots102.zip
Non-FilePlanet Omicron Bot: http://www.xs4all.nl/~elusive/projects/Obots/Obots102.zip 

A big slice of benevolence for RPG. 

Although after "showing" him around the map for a while, will see a good improvement over when the map first starts, all info about the map it gains from the time spent in the map is lost once you change maps. But with the .ent(route) file hard coded to the map, it has permanent knowledge of the map. The .ent(routes) are easy to install, and easy to make yourself if you can't find one for the map in question. I have tried around 80 or so Quake bots, Omicron is by far my favorite, and my vote for best. Others may say things like the Frog Bot etc are better, well, personal choice I guess, but some of theses bots (and Frog is one of them) are limited to a very small selection of maps. Where as the Omicron will play any map, with or without an .ent(route) file. 

I'll try them and see how they work. I'll have to fire up my Mac and hook it up to my PC to transfer my gig+ worth of quake files over (that I haven't played in 3 years).

On Omicrons: there used to be a regular Omicron bot competition for Mac Quake players (later some of them got PCs so I think the rules relaxed a bit, but by then it was dying out anyway). JVOX was one of the regulars. The competitions were always on custom maps, and many of the same people played on Zappa's Visi Quakeworld custom maps server. Ah, the good old days! 

There are 10 kinds of people in this world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't. 

I don't know where it originally came from, but I have a shirt that says that. Someone gave it to me as a gift, and she got it from ThinkGeek.com. 

I loved QuakeOn. I wish I knew were to find it again. Has it been updated at all? 

Was in my favorites, so...

http://www.planetquake.com/quakeon/

Source code was released in 2000...
this thing hasn't really been updated. 

Stop by #terrafusion at 3pm EST today. We will play chesdm1-4 on my server. 

Schopenhauer
request for more of the http://www.planetquake.com/vondur/img/180503/DSC01010.JPG - like pictures in hi rez 

werkin on it! 

That was photosourced I assume...? Bit too much reflection off the upper sufaces towards the left :/ But rust is nice anyway. 

mmm, beer...I need beer. And stuff. 

yes, since i'm just learning photography i made that mistake. realised it after i was far away from the object and looked at the foto on the big screen.
i'll re-shoot this rusted piece properly though :) 

Fixed those white-ish parts on the rust
http://www.phaitaccompli.com/crap/rust.jpg 

Von, use the dodge and burn tools in photoshop to bring it together, no need to reshoot the image. Dodge makes lighter and burn makes darker. You can get rid of nasty highlites, and other scanner artifacts as well using them. 

uh, will try that, thanks
but why not to re-shoot if i can? i have to raise my photoskillz up, to reduce post-shooting image editing as much as i can :) 

Alternatively, you can just scansource an object directly.
And when it comes to seamlessly tesselating the a texture and removing artifacts, use the 'heal' tool ( the lil band-aid icon ); that's what it's designed for. 

there is no point to photoshop yourself, leave it to me :)
just make more material shots at the close range and direct angle please

some industrial details at close range would be neice as well 

basically, i'm looking for something like System Shock 2.

good, engaging story
SP
Sci-Fi prefered...
attention to detail
made at least after and including 2000.

any thing? 

Played Elite Force? Definitely not scary, but interesting. There's also Deus Ex which everyone should play if they haven't already. None of these are horror, mind you. Undying is a good shot if that's what you're after, but it's more fantasy than sci-fi.