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#12125 posted by Tronyn on 2015/03/28 01:19:12
do it...
Amazing Detail Warren
#12126 posted by nitin on 2015/03/28 01:44:53
#12127 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/03/31 01:33:10
Omg
#12128 posted by hypnos on 2015/03/31 05:57:13
so stoked!
Lol That's So Modern Hollywood Meta
#12129 posted by Tronyn on 2015/03/31 07:04:51
Instead of a trailer, I'll offer you a trailer for a trailer!
Why not a screenshot for a screenshot?
Warren
#12130 posted by ericw on 2015/03/31 09:21:54
Awesome.
related to that, I've been playing with qbsp a bit and trying to get it to load .obj's directly, like the q3 utils could do with misc_model, and it seems pretty promising. the disadvantage is there's no collision against the model, since I don't reconstruct brushes like you are.
#12131 posted by - on 2015/03/31 10:38:25
Too bad Quake doesn't have a weapon clip etc, because I wouldn't mind having to make my own collision.
Guess you'd need to do something funky with skip textured func_walls to make the collision for a misc_model?
#12132 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/03/31 11:52:17
ericw - That sounds more useful than what I'm doing. :P Honestly, I tried that at one point as well - inserting model triangles directly into the BSP but I didn't understand the code well enough to get any real headway on it.
That code is ... well, let's face it, it's a mess.
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#12133 posted by Kinn on 2015/03/31 12:10:54
ericw - that sounds awesome - does lighting work with them? I can see that being a good way to get things like decent dead trees and whatnot
Warren
#12134 posted by Kinn on 2015/03/31 12:34:58
I tried an experiment like that a while back - I wrote a program that took a bunch of triangles and stuck an extra vert on the back, pulled out a little to create a tetrahedron, which I then wrote out as a brush in a .map. An optimisation could be used when, depending on the topology, pairs, or trios of model triangles had a convex relationship and could be used in a single tetrahedron brush, which brought the complexity down a little bit.
It worked very well, but I found that when used on a large-ish scale, e.g. to create big cave systems, all those funky planes would caused the bsp compiler to go bananas and generate microleaks. Made no real difference even if i made sure all tetradedron verts were snapped to grid.
In these days of detail brushes however, it might not be so much of an issue...
#12135 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/03/31 12:52:28
Yeah, that's the "spikey" option. It usually sucks but sometimes it works so ... might as well include it.
Argh
#12136 posted by ijed on 2015/03/31 13:57:28
Sorry Ericw, I'll get back to that soon - got sidetracked with the Qonquer Jam.
#12137 posted by necros on 2015/03/31 15:35:17
It worked very well, but I found that when used on a large-ish scale, e.g. to create big cave systems, all those funky planes would caused the bsp compiler to go bananas and generate microleaks.
I wonder if the next enhancement to the engine and tools should be increasing (or removing) the maximum number of unique planes.
#12138 posted by Kinn on 2015/03/31 17:06:38
I wonder if the next enhancement to the engine and tools should be increasing (or removing) the maximum number of unique planes.
Don't know if this was an issue.
I just think the compiler wasn't really designed to handle that sort of geo. When it tried to make a bsp tree from several hundred non-orthogonal triangular faces, everything ended up being sliced and diced with floating point inaccuracy stacking up until it eventually plopped a great big Welsh salad on the table.
I haven't tried it though since detail brushes became available. It probably works a bit better now.
#12139 posted by necros on 2015/03/31 20:33:25
maybe at that point it really is time to move on to bsp3. :S
#12140 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/04/01 12:55:42
Interesting
#12141 posted by Kinn on 2015/04/01 13:12:57
does the "standard" option simply take all the polygon planes in the obj model and define a brush with them? So that option would only work if the obj model is convex?
#12142 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/04/01 13:25:36
Right, it treats each mesh in the OBJ file as if it's a set of planes and converts it into Quake MAP format.
It doesn't do any kind of automatic decomposition. The meshes need to be convex already or you'll get weird results.
I WANT to do some sort of automatic convex brush breakdown but ... it's a seriously tricky topic.
#12143 posted by Kinn on 2015/04/01 13:28:07
maybe at that point it really is time to move on to bsp3. :S
I'd rather people bite the bullet and just embrace q3bsp, rather than add more cruft to the q1 bsp format.
I'd rather people embraced UE4, rather than add more cruft to Quake.
#12145 posted by Kinn on 2015/04/01 13:33:22
Right, it treats each mesh in the OBJ file as if it's a set of planes and converts it into Quake MAP format.
It doesn't do any kind of automatic decomposition. The meshes need to be convex already or you'll get weird results.
I WANT to do some sort of automatic convex brush breakdown but ... it's a seriously tricky topic.
Yeah, that would be the holy grail, but it's a massively tricky problem :/
#12146 posted by Kinn on 2015/04/01 13:36:37
I'd rather people embraced UE4, rather than add more cruft to Quake.
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
#12147 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/04/01 14:52:20
I don't know what I'm waiting for as this seems to work, so ... If you're feeling brave:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/161473/OBJ2MAP/OBJ2MAP_PreviewA.zip
I don't have any docs written yet but it's pretty straightforward.
If you're using Trenchbroom, you can just paste the results directly into your map. If you're using Jackhammer, you'll need to load the resulting MAP file and copy/paste the brushes over.
This is also a test to see if this needs anything other than the EXE to run ... I think it should "just work". It needs .net but everyone has that these days anyway.
Windows only, suckas!
#12148 posted by necros on 2015/04/01 16:07:55
I'd rather people bite the bullet and just embrace q3bsp, rather than add more cruft to the q1 bsp format.
i meant q3bsp. :(
is there any chance of seeing it implemented in quakespasm? ^_^;
#12149 posted by metlslime on 2015/04/01 17:19:26
first we need to add light styles to it
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