Any other quoth monsters have that code? 

Can this please make any sense??? After long woes and trial and erroring with countless 5-min long compiling breaks, I managed to bring the marksurfaces count just under the limit - again; for the x-th time. Even simplifying rooms and shit. Then I fix a simple portal error on a small step (invisible face), and suddenly the whole count is down 300 points. Is QBSP making fun of me or something?! 

I have noticed that sometimes adding stuff to the map can actually lower figures instead of increasing them. 

There is nothing I can contribute to your knowledge, but its comforting to know you get as perplexed over that shit as anyone else...
Also, nice to know you're working on something (apparently something large). 

one thing czg figured out was that you can exceed the marksurfaces limit and not crash, as long as the extra marksurfaces come from bmodels and not the worldmodel.

Unfortunately there is currently no tool or engine that reports worldmodel marksurfaces specifically (that I know of.) 

Bspinfo.exe 

Any other quoth monsters have that code?

Nope, it's part of a larger function that only applies to the polyp. 

as long as the extra marksurfaces come from bmodels and not the worldmodel

that's interesting and good to know. :) 

Use external mapmodels. 

 

Just use BSP2 - its not tied to the mod. 

Looks like I've got recent post blindness. 

Do any of the following editors have "carve" functionality like Worldcraft:

1. Quark
2. QER (Sikkpin) or GTKRadiant or NetRadiant
3. ToeTag (I didn't see it anywhere)

I'm trying to grasp the concept of how brush splitting occurs in code and with the 3 all being open source. 

sikkpin's qe3 and gtkradiant do, as does quark. 

I am using NetRadiant (GtkRadiant) and when I right click on the 2d box, and go to func, I am missing some (e.g. func_breakable, and func_door)

Where can I locate and download these files?

I was also interested in finding some 3D models, if anyone ahs any links :) 

in quark you can have subtractive brushes and there is a carving function too. and since it is quark you will probably end up with floating point horror in any case. 

I am using NetRadiant (GtkRadiant) and when I right click on the 2d box, and go to func, I am missing some (e.g. func_breakable, and func_door)

Where can I locate and download these files?

I was also interested in finding some 3D models, if anyone ahs any links :) 

what game or mod? 

Urban terror 

You need the entity def file for Urban Terror (probably on its website). If that one is missing the entities, you can edit the file with a text editor and add them manually. Just follow the pattern the other entities have. Or copy the missing ents from the default Q3A def file. 

Yes i have that, but i dont know where to put it 

I'm running NetRadiant on my mac, and I have tried putting UrbanTerror.def (The file with these functions) in every single folder in radiant, and in Urban Terror, but still nothing??? 

DEF file are best placed as a standalone game, but not as a mod. And do not forget to add UrbanTerror.game file in the directory "netradiant/games" 

thats the thing though, there is an urban terror game file in my netradiant/games
??? 

isn't***