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<Scrambler> FFS cheeker fucker, disappearing just after i completed his map first go <czgMapping> without saving? <Scrambler> i saved once but didn't load <Scrambler> was piss really <Scrambler> also, i only remembered it was a secret map near the end Have demo if you want. All of em were great, I think the Ebon Outpost was my favorite overall, very tricky but solvable - and drew's I couldn't get past the armor-button (what did that open?)so I noclipped past the bar. Anyway great pack, I'll try to join in next time as the theme seems a lot like one I suggested a long time ago.
Shamb: I do say in the text file that it turned into more of a button/key map than a true secrets map.
hey guys could next theme be "save your preres" wend maps should have more then 150 enemys? :)
p.s--->"preres" is very bad write but i dont know how it is...sorry for my shity english... Speedmap #105 will be happening this Saturday.
The theme for this week is "What if these maps mated?". For this theme, choose 2 or more somewhat well known maps and build your map as if it was a combination of them. Build an Aerowalk type map using the textures and such of Blood Run. Build a czg07 ripoff, but with the small size and ease of e1m1. Whatever you'd like, Deathmatch or Singleplayer. Timelimit is 100 mins, let's try to stick to it, but I've never been one to enforce the timelimit strictly. We will meet on IRC for the live event, on the Quakenet network (irc.quakenet.org) in #speedq1, at 3PM Central Time, this is 8PM UTC. If you can not make it, or wish to map beforehand, you may email me a map before Sunday at 3PM Central Time or get in contact with me beforehand. My email is scampie@spawnpoint.org. -Use hacks from the 'Teaching Old Progs(.dat) New Tricks' thread to make weird maps
-Partially submerged -Labyrinths I like the idea of differant themes that make the speedmappers try new things (secret maps), innovation is a big part of what makes speedmapping cool, so I'd like to head in that direction for the next couple SMs. "Partially submerged" and "Hacks of progs.dat" themes are those I really would like to see speedmaps for.. "Labyrinths" would be annoying, IMHO, if too complex, and I guess most of players would be completly lost in map finally... I have just in mind the example of an old map where there was a huge labyrinth (with huge pyramids.. I don't remember the map name, but regarding all the good map done today, it was really crappy...): it was really annoying to find my way in a labyrinth without any indications, and with monsters on each corners... cough.. Please don't do that :(
In anyway, it's just my taste... but I'm pretty sure good mappers of Func_ could do something really different and interesting.. wait and see... ;) You should... Mapping only to "please yourself" is not, IMHO, a good idea... Keep in mind that players should be the most important people at the end: i.e having "self-fun" when mapping is good, but giving fun to players with your stuff is so far better... though...
Just to elaborate: imagine pro mappers (e.g D3/HL2 mappers) having only self pleasure when mapping, regardless of gameplay, design, lightning, etc... the results could have been really crappy, don't you think ? And the games would have been completly different... So, do you really want to build speedmap pack full of shity map ?? I hope not ;P It's an excersize for the mappers. It allows them to break free of the inhibitions that trying to appease the public places on them with their bigger releases. It's a chance to get experimental and/or just have a laugh -without- having to worry about what the players are going to think.
As far as I can tell, that's the very purpose of speedmapping. you can do it for self-satisfaction but you should also make it for satisfaction of other mappers and other players. :) Whatever.
There was a huge long discussion about why people speedmap after Scampie ran Xen out of here, do it for whatever reason you want to do it, if it's for yourself then do it for yourself, if it's for the players then do it for the players. As long as you're satisfied.
I think the most difficult is to give satisfaction to most part of the players... Having "self-statisfaction" doing something is easy when you love what you do (whatever it is), but giving satisfaction to others is not so easy... unless you are a "pro".... and I'm talking about sex there
...and I'm talking about sex there
ooops: I mean and I'm NOT talking about sex there... I guess everybody understood... ;) strange, abstract designs (get on the hotdog?), wierd (but not stupid) gameplay.
dunno if this is a good idea or not. i'm saying abstract, but i don't mean ugly... it should still be cool looking, but shouldn't be your typical look to a map. speedmapping is like brainstorming. Some people/mappers throw some ideas in the air/in a map and other mappers can see them and think "well this would bee cool in my map - But I think I will change it like this
That's how I use the SMs! Besides having fun! Off course the players are important as well - but in SM more like playtesters. They shouldn't expect bugfree finished maps in speedmaps, and I'm sure they don't! If once in a while a SM is flawless and has greath gameplay well then it would bee the exception rather than the rule! this would bee cool in my map
it would bee the exception I knew they'd show up again sooner or later... :P I generally think the ones Scampie is choosing are good. I like this weekends. I like his thinking behind it.
I do however, think that labyrinths would be bollox and quite pointless for mapping creativity.
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