A few screenshots (from a map which I may or may not ever finish) illustrating the evils of 16 unit high steps.

Ruined

Architectural

Scale

And just for good measure...

Step fronts are not for detail 

I don't see a problem tbh. 

I like the scale of those steps, fits Quake. Awesome first shot! 

That is an outstanding looking map alright.

For all the meticulous texture work, though, I'm not sure about the tiled texture on the curved stairs. 

Could you add a couple of that red_dish runic textures
just drop em here and there , right now that looks very monochrome 

What others said: I don't see any problem with the stairs, and it looks really good :) 

Release please. 

https://i.imgur.com/IWjTrfZ.png 

Looks awesome.

Please, finish this map, or I'll set an army of fiends to your ass. 

 

It's from the Z-Kart community project. 

The 16 unit steps comment is just a bit of a joke referencing a post in the Map Jam 2 thread, as is "step fronts are not for detail".

...I'm not sure about the tiled texture on the curved stairs.

The brown part on the top surface? Not real sure about that myself, but haven't come up with anything better so far.

Could you add a couple of that red_dish runic textures just drop em here and there , right now that looks very monochrome

Yes, the map is mostly grayish brick and stone with wood and rusty metal here and there, and slightly tech looking light fixtures. That's pretty much the way I want it.

I had a big red window at one point and some yellow lights under a bridge, but several people said that looked out of place. I guess you actually mean the little squares with the runic symbols like you see on exit teleporters? 

IMO. Also stairs look fine, if not mind glowingly gorgeous. What's holding you back now? Still struggling with limits? 

"step fronts are not for detail"

I meant 8 unit steps.

"I can't fit any detail in there!"
"So don't!" 

I know, I was just making a bit of a joke.

The 16 unit steps are obviously staying. I might change the name of the map to "Ruined Architectural Scale" though. Has a nice ring to it, eh?

Anyway, here's one more picture. I figure if I just actually work on the thing I could finish it pretty soon. It's really just minor nit-picky things that need doing now, it's playable as is.

Wanted: Sexy vampire chick to perch on ledge 

Someone really should make a new id megawad with all the stock and all the new id1 variants made by sock, than etc 

Release that before jam3 so it can be the theme 

totally 

but yeah, it applies to both 

 

I know, I was just making a bit of a joke.
Your behaviour is not a joke, this is you being an online bully because you feel my comments are a reflection on your own work. As I have stated this is my views and work ethics and it does not mean you have to be a jerk about it.

Getting everyone to agree to your view point by showing screenshots of a map you have been pushing brushes around on for a year with no before or after comparison of steps heights does not prove your point, it just makes you look petty and vindictive. 

 

now as someone who has an unfortunate tendency to be petty and vindictive, but who also uses 16 unit stairs...

...at least don't threaten to not finish the new well of wishes, if it's already playable! 

I find the 'discussion' on step/stair size quite interesting as I couldn't remember what I used to do.

So I just reinstalled BSP, loaded an old map and had a look. Wow! I can see I was firmly on the side of sitting-on-the-fence (or perhaps that should be handrail)

For narrow staircases I mostly used 16 unit step size. For wider staircases e.g. the stairs up to the Imp's Castle in FMB-BDG2, I often used a 16 unit rise with an 8 unit step at the front, giving a sloping tread.

I do remember that I tried to introduce a degree of asymmetry into my maps, so maybe that also had something to do with it.

(that's if anyone gives a toss) 

WTF?