I would like to play a Necros/negke collab very much. I mean holy shit. 

not so much a collab, and more a 'i gave up and negke was pissed because he playtested so much' :P :P 

o_o 

you can play MAYHEM 2048. I made a map for the wad and you can find it on the list of maps in the op. http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/68303-mayhem2048-it-is-ready-idgames-pending/ 

 

you guys could call yourselves negros! 

Some textures are missing when I load up your map in zdoom?

http://imgur.com/g1NCuN0 

Grab RC4 of Mayhem 2048: http://www.speedyshare.com/aYEEb/MAYhem2048.wad

my map (emerald gardens) is map 14. 

Map 01 is about done!
http://i.imgur.com/JboYARn.jpg 

Here is what Quake looks like megatextured. It's uniquely textured (well, 95%) but it's not one physical texture, rather, nineteen of them (not including the door texture and accompanying shader). Shader? Oh yeah, this isn't BSP29 either, it's FBSP (q3map2/qfusion). "Megatexturing" for vanilla quake is pretty laborious, which caused me to abandon my first megatexturing project. However, I did get some useful graybox textures out of the deal.

The most notable benefits of switching map formats are:
1. No palette!
2. No WAD repacking and map recompile to update them in-game.
3. Textures must only be divisible by 2 rather than 16.

The room took me about three solid evenings to make, quite a bit of that time was spent fiddling around and getting the hang of things. One who is experienced could do a better job in less time. I say this because it pertains to my initial question: is megatexturing Quake, or a derivative, viable? Based upon my findings, my answer is ABSOLUTLEY.

Of course, certain variables alter it's 'viability'. For instance, opting for textures with a greater pixel density than Quake will result in much more texture data. My test, KP14, has exactly 3mb of textures. If I were to make a map 100x larger and megatexture it, it would only use approximately 300mb in textures, which is nothing.

This is the workflow and benefits of texturing this way that I imagine:

Concept art is the anchor, the unifying element that both the level designer and level artist will use. This is key. The level designer lays out a map focusing almost exclusively on gameplay, the level designer does not texture the map, he only grayboxes it. The map is continually refined until it plays great, I mean beautifully, as this is the designers main focus. Now that we have a great playing map, the artist goes in and draws all over it, focusing only on making it look great. The end result is a map that looks AND plays great.

I feel that by narrowing the focus on these two elements, the end result is of much higher quality. Both the level designer and artist have a much higher level of freedom than they would if using traditional texture sets.

There are other details, but this is the gist. It sounds good on paper, at least.

Anyway, here are some pics of KP14 being assembled.

bam and boom 

That is a shitload of commendable effort! I like the direction you went, it reminds me of both Rage and Warsow at once, somehow.

To be honest, though... I think I'm siding with sock and Lunaran on the matter, in that while the difference between regular textures and unique textures is obvious on paper, the average player won't really notice it in game. And especially not in the heat of Quake combat.

No palette!

But you can already have that with normal BSP and external textures. 

Is that you seem to give everything a fairly thick outline. Which is okay on its own but you'll notice Quake hardly ever does that.

Place a couple Enforcers and ammo crates inside that corridor and they will stick out considerably (and not in a good way). 

@onetruepurple

Sadly, I went down the wrong road in the art direction (I was going by the seat of my pants anyway), as this effect could be pretty easily achieved with tiling textures.

When I say "Megatexturing Quake" I really mean megatexturing a game that is a Quake derivative. In other words, a unique IP built on the tech.

Agree, if you're looking to simply map for Quake, this method is overkill and the result is very un-Quake. However, it's doable if that tickles your fancy.

"the average player won't really notice it in game. And especially not in the heat of Quake combat"

The reason many games suck today is because the are made for the average player. They're not my target :) 

O_o

Are you sure that is Doom? Maybe i played a different game. Too awesome to be true.

If you don't release that we will loath you forever. 

I have no idea how to download that file. I dont want to download an .exe 

The Mayhem wad?

At the top where it says:

Download: MAYhem2048.wad

just click on the file name. 

try this link: http://www.speedyshare.com/aYEEb/MAYhem2048.wad

and click on the underlined message that says mayhem2048.wad. it will download the wad file. drag and drop the .wad file into your doom 2 directory. 

I must have been doing something wrong badly here. Got it this time though. 

Too many insta-death situations for me... the chaingun ambush was overpowered IMO 

Fuck, that's awesome. 

Just keep doing your thing KP, I dig. 

very cool. 

 

"the average player won't really notice it in game. And especially not in the heat of Quake combat"

The reason many games suck today is because the are made for the average player. They're not my target :)

my head hurts 

Mine too.

otp is right, this is overkill for Quake. I wasn't responding to the statement itself, rather, the underlying philosophy (however, in the context of Quake mapping, is appropriate).

If you only do things the average player will notice or appreciate your games will be just that: average.

That's all I'm saying.