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Bernsten 
have you released any HL maps? 
 
Nope, I've mapped for years but it's mostly been disconnected experimentation with different build techniques and similar, haven't actually worked on a proper project with a release in mind.

I do, however, plan on starting on a rather large mod sometime in the future, one that I've had in the back in my head for a few years, just have to get all the different ideas concretized and in a fleshed out design document. I also want to have at least a couple released under my belt before this though, like the Q1 map I'm currently working on, to function as a "portfolio" and show that I'm somewhat capable to work on a larger project, and to help recruit other members, seeing as even the basics ideas behind the mod would need a substantial amount of coding, for instance.

Don't know how it'll work out seeing as I have little experience in working with teams, but hopefully having some proper releases under my belt will help gain interest in the project. Also I just realised I went way off topic here, but eh. 
Totally Off Topic 
but I'd definitely play it, I love HL. First things first though I guess - hope your map is coming along, and hope to be considered for testing if you need it - also, make sure you post shots at Qexpo! 
 
Yeah school's just out for summer, so I'll presume working on my map shortly and should have plenty of time. I'll let you know when it's near completion so you can test it, and I'll see what I can do regarding Qexpo. Cheers! 
I Think The Czg Curves Are More Proportional 
Some of your shots look more like a perfect circle, but this one aint so good:

http://kneedeepinthedoomed.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/cylinder7.jpg

The top, bottom, left and right sides are 4 units long, but all the other sides would be much closer to 3 units long if you measure them.

I would never ever do this on purpose either:

http://kneedeepinthedoomed.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/cylinder10.jpg?w=500&h=400

It seems silly to divide the large face. I would just make the incision where the angle is. It would be great if you needed the textures on either side of the join to be different.

This however is a lovely circle, I have never used a 16 sided circle, I stick to 12 or 24, 90% of the time i use 12 sides, but I could adopt this method quite happily:

http://kneedeepinthedoomed.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/ring3.jpg?w=500&h=400

Really nice bit of brushwork that, eh. :D 
 
Nice polygon builder plugin, rather.

I agree that different circles have their uses. In arches specifically I like to see more than 12 sides to the hypothetical circle though. Personally. 16 work quite well there.

The cylinder you criticized was done for demonstration purposes more than anything, that's just how it came out of the polygon builder. I agree that it doesn't look so good. 16 sided circles do normally look good, but the proportions are wrong on that one. 
Bad Surface Extents Crash 
I know this is supposed to be an error that occurs when you have surfaces in your level with textures that are hugely stretched (over 10x)... the biggest that I have in this map is 4x though... anyone know any other causes for this? 
Vertex Count? 
run bspinfo - how many vertexes and clipnodes do you have? How many marksurfaces? Anything over 65000? 
 
Inspect the area around the coordinates the compiler gives you and try to narrow it down to a number of brushes. It could be a back face somewhere that got stretched by accident. It seems kind of strange that a huge texture scale can cause problems (too small is another thing) - I presume this is only the case when one axis is stretched a lot while is other isn't.

If it was caused by vertexes, qbsp should have displayed a warning about the limit being exceeded.


On a completely unrelated note, can anyone check if boss2\death.wav is looped? 
Anyone Have A Link 
to the most recent quoth .fgd? 
Re: Bad Surface Extents 
i've gotten this sometimes, i think, with hugely large brushes. 
That Is To Say 
brushes stretched beyond normal sized, like 999999 wide or something, usually from an editor malfunction. 
24 
Is where its at. I've experimented some, but I'm not that good at the math and also haven't put together any type of tutorial to the effect.

The best I've seen recently was made by Rj - I trisoup double helix spiraling down as a lift shaft. It's an unreleased map and could arguably have been done with a texture, but was one of those things you see as a mapper and have to appreciate the time it must have take.

For a really good example of curve brushwork (the best I've seen personally) look at SPoG's spogsp1 for Quake2 - there's all sorts of amazing brushwork in that.

No link, sorry. 
 
fun fact... the dam in rub2m1 is based on a 48-sided cylinder. 
Yeah 
I was suitably impressed. That was some impressive brushwork. 
Also 
Spog is a wizard. 
Neat 
I was actually wondering how the dam was created with such a smooth, natural curve when I first played that map, and knowing the method it was based on now, it makes a lot of sense. Nice. 
 
if boss2\death.wav is looped?

CoolEdit tells not. 
Thanks 
I had an issue where it wouldn't stop looping. Which is even more incomprehendable now. Fortunately I could work around it. 
Ijed 
The best I've seen recently was made by Rj - I trisoup double helix spiraling down as a lift shaft. It's an unreleased map and could arguably have been done with a texture, but was one of those things you see as a mapper and have to appreciate the time it must have taken.

shame it got ruined by those hundreds of ugly lighting triangles!! 
 
ugly lighting triangles!!

i HATE those! 
Theoretically 
What'd be the solution?

Just increasing the lightmap texture size? 
Forcing QBSP To Split The Face Differently 
By slightly increasing the texure scale on it or changing the offset. If necessary split the face half manually and change one half of it.

I hate those too. Fixing them is annoying and time-consuming. 
Regarding The Dam In Rub2m1 
How were the support beams underneath the walkway created? As seen in this screenshot.

I've tried making beams extruding from the middle of curved corners before, but when working with angles that are anything other than 45 degrees and using vertex manipulation, I find it impossible to maintain the correct width and angle of the brush according to the curves, and rotating it just makes it go off grid. Something like this is what I've attempted to create with no luck.

And how about the sloped curves going along the side of the dam? I checked out the map source and they fit the curve of the dam perfectly while having an angled slope, but when I've attempted this I always get invalid brushes and have to cut each brush into two triangles for it to work. Are there any decent tutorials for any of these methods online? Also what editor was used for the map?

Thanks etc 
Please Help Me :S 
Mans i need help with quark please :(
It says : Didn't Split The Polygon and Build Failed :( please :(:(:( 
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