it's the damn binary nature of the ring which makes it suck. otp's shambler maze scenario is interesting i guess, but only as a one time gimmick.

or well, maybe a fully stealth map where you have to go from ring to ring before the last one wears out and you get mobbed by millions of monsters or something. 

Works, but only with respawning ring points and weaponstrip. 

what are you talking about?

the point is that you'd have to make it to the next ring before the last one ran out. basically like an artificial timer. 

tbh if you put in enough enemies to make using a quad to kill all of it your only option you don't have to worry too much about weapon stripping. Your trouble would probably be making sure the player knew to not bother trying to fight at first :) 

ah ok, he was talking about generic's post.
at that point though, i'd lean more toward a true gimmick method of killing them instead of just a quad. it'd be more dramatic i'd think.

bah, it's just that damn ring. :( doesn't even protect you from voreballs. 

So, i want a sun effect, resemebling the sun. I use QuArK. Also it would be nice to have a sun without the textures getting white from the light, but still remaining colour like in real life. I need it for my outdoors map:D 

You need to name the skybox images YourNameOfChoicert
YourNameOfChoicelt
YourNameOfChoiceup
YourNameOfChoicedn
YourNameOfChoicebk
YourNameOfChoiceft

Put them in quake\id1\gfx\env

Put a key in your Worldspawn "sky" with the value "YourNameOfChoice"

:) 

I was replying to your concept - the rings would respawn, but only in specific places, maybe 29 seconds apart, and the level would be full of, say, Shamblers and the player weaponless.

To allow for exploration and to be less frustrating the rings would respawn, so the player could come back at any time, but would have to find the next ring location without being seen in order to progress.

Ideally getting seen would be a lose condition, unless the player managed to speedrun to the exit (or better yet, the weapon cache). 

Additional exploration before the weapons cache could be included by having no ammo in the cache, only in the level itself.

Would probably have to destroy all rings once the cache was raided as well. 

Shamblers and the player weaponless

Hence my idea of giving the player RL and full ammo - it'd be useless against the Shamblers anyway. 

Is from Ricky's remix map of e4m1 which had the biosuits respawning and all the water as slime. 

But it suggest to the player that they can go gung ho. Better to take away all their stuff and leave them crippled - like that level in MaxPayne 1 where you escape from the gangsters, or that Riddick game.

By the time they reach the cache they feel immensely overpowered from being in such a weak starting point.

Downside is the level will have to be relatively small so as not to get frustrating. 

Nobody would try to kill a horde of Shamblers with the RL in Quake, though.

Level size - a speedmap would work (there was a timelimit themed session once), or just as a section in a bigger map. 

Nobody would try to kill a horde of Shamblers with the RL in Quake, though.

i've often had thoughts like this when making maps, and invariably, there's always someone who does.
sometimes you get lucky and it's your testers. :S

in the case of such an atypical gimmick, i'd be in favour of the heavy-handed approach: take everything away (or provide nothing) so as to leave no question about what you're expected to do.

hl2 intro maps have you running away, ostensibly for your life.
sure, some, maybe even most, players would RP those maps and run away, but you know if they had enough guns and ammo they'd clear out a citadel's worth of metro-cops before deciding to go away. 

It takes 11 rockets to kill a shambler (three with quad <-fun with enough space) - same amount as 11 DBS shots (=22 shells). The RL is obviously not favorable in close combat because of its splash damage, but for sniping shamblers it's fine, especially if there are other monsters around that can take damage from it too. People seem to be stuck on the notion that shamblers are immune to rocket damage altogether. 

But it's still a waste of rockets, that could as well be spent on a bunch of HKnights instead. 

There's mapping for Quake. And then there's mapping for DarkPlaces... 

Well having a skybox does'nt make it so theres a realistic sun that shines. I do use darkplaces.
So if a have a skybox in my darkplaces mod, how would a create a realtistic sun that shines and casts light over the map. I use QuArK! 

I use real time lighting. 

neg:
There's mapping for Quake. And then there's mapping for DarkPlaces...
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re: 10890
Well having a skybox does'nt make it so theres a realistic sun that shines. I do use darkplaces.
So if a have a skybox in my darkplaces mod, how would a create a realtistic sun that shines and casts light over the map. I use QuArK!

since you're using darkplaces, put a super long range dynamic light then? 

Durr? How would i do that :D 

 

people have been mentioning. Does this include all aspects of the map's geometry, or is it just 'solid' geometry and excludes func_wall/func_illusionary? 

You can get past it by making .bsp files and inserting them with an entity. It works for illusionarys. Wait until you get near the limit then make your illusionaries into extrnal .bsp files. The entity will be the center of the external .bsp. I believe that you can use this feature in Quoth. You need to bear in mind for lighting. Unless you want your external .bsps to show as fullbrights in the map, you need to light them, so they need the lights which are casting lights on them to be there in the external .bsp, in the same positions. So it is something you should do towards the end of your cycle. 

hmm, okay, sounds like this could get painful as you say :p