I enjoy a lot more standard Quake - the moment you start adding hi res textures, fancy lighting, etc - that moment it's not Quake - not the dark, scary Quake that we love (at least I love that feeling)

how can you assume that something cannot be 'dark and scary' if it uses coloured lighting and hi-res textures? o_0

there is still so much about quake that makes it what it is regardless of new features that have been added. it has a pretty unique atmosphere that certainly isn't lost when the light from a wall-torch has a slight yellow tint to it, or if slime emits a green glow, or if you come across a pane of glass you can see through... etc.

most of these things aren't exactly 'new' either and are in pretty much every presently-maintained engine there is. darkplaces is admittedly pretty far removed from the bunch though as it has gone on to be more than just a quake platform... 

..you explained very well.. that's exact my problem ! I dont want people need another mod to play mine! could it be enough to just add Zerstorer progs with my mod ?

With Hammer/Halflife set-up cutscenes was a breeze but in Quake ...

tell me.. info_intermission could be used to set up simple intros(with text,different frames) ?? 

I simply put ambient_drone,wind,.. entities in my Worldcraft map 4 times at cardinal points around the player.. compiled and.. NOTHING

-Do I have to "precache" them ? And how?
-what's the command line for launching them manually in Quake ?
-Maybe do I have to trigger them(already done)but.. as you know ambient_ entities have no keys/flags .. 

could it be enough to just add Zerstorer progs with my mod ?

you could do that, but then you'd need to include all the models and sounds for the progs to work correctly. at that point, you're just bundling the zerstorer mod with your map so it's easier to just link to a download of zerstorer at that point. 

If you want to add cutscenes to your mod, you can incorporate the code from the corresponding qc files of course, or better yet, refer to the CCK from the level Vision of Hatred (at Quaddicted).

The ambient_ sounds don't have to be triggered or anything. Just place them and done. If they don't play for you, there must be something wrong on your end, accidentally spawnflagged out, possibly a modified pak0/wav, or something you're not telling us. Note that the ambient sounds can't be heard throughout the map, only when the player is relatively close to the source. 

could it be enough to just add Zerstorer progs with my mod ?

i don't think that would be a problem in all honesty. it was free in the first place and i doubt any of the team would mind (not that they'd still be about in the quake scene anyway!)

info_intermission is unfortunately a pretty simple entity that can't be configured much. it just shows the engine where to look when the end screen comes up

as for the sounds... i can only suggest uploading a .map so i (or someone else) can see what's going wrong. the precaching is done in the entity code in the qc, so isn't something you have to worry about unless messing with the qc yourself. again though, they can't be triggered.. you plonk them in without a targetname and they simply play continuously. this is really where a mod like quoth comes in handy, as you can have play_sound_triggered, which enables you to set any sound at any volume and have it triggered on & off. zer has something like this too though i think.. check the devkit file

also i don't know of a command for playing sounds manually in-game. there might be one but i can't really imagine a practical use for it... 

If you want to add cutscenes to your mod, you can incorporate the code from the corresponding qc files of course, or better yet, refer to the CCK from the level Vision of Hatred (at Quaddicted).

^ this is the best way when it comes to adding stuff in general. it just involves getting familiar with quake c, even if it does just involve copying & pasting bits from other mods :) 

Of course you can also ask yourself if the cutscene is really that important for the level, crucial to the story etc., or if maybe the introduction could be done by other means, a few centerprint text messages, for instance. Because the thing is, setting up cutscenes in Quake is huge pain in the ass, and probably a waste of time if it's not going to be a real cinematic event or anything substantial. 

Command to play sounds: "play" 

 

Negke: yes you're right but what entity should I use for multiple text messages ?
My goal is to link/sync plot text-messages with different frames of my map while the player is frozen.. so I hoped info_intermission be handy : )

..anyway I guess I'll stick with Quoth 

why freeze the player? they'll stop to read the messages when they come up anyway :)

for multiple messages you just want several different trigger_relay ents with the same targetname but different 'delay' values on them, eg. one with 0, the next with 3, then 6, etc... 

Just have message scripts at key positions and the player will stop to read them, as rj said. You can even make centerprints with linebreaks by putting \n between the lines - not recommended, though, unless the second line is very short. You could `freeze` the player by putting such messages in front of locked doors or bars that only open afterwards. 

Yes.. I agree with ya all, but :
1)in Quake there's no a game_text entity
rj: trigger_relay ?! can you explain me better?
2)my maps are sp not multiplayer so there's only 1 player to be frozen (anyway frozen is not so important)

Point is I want to create some intro for my map.. also static pictures could do the trick BUT I don't want to touch qc code if possible :)
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If I got it right you say only Zerstorer and Vision(DarinMcNeil) have attempted to do cutscenes ?
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Is it possible to start my map with a
non-playable demo(Nehahra style)exiting to my playable map .. so I'd have a damn intro ;)
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You really should experiment with each of the available entities first. Then you will see all of their lovely limitations ;)

Trigger_once contains a (centerprint) message that you can set.

Check out the intro to Vondur's new map for an example.

Keeping the player 'frozen', however, is going to be more trouble than it it worth, IMHO. 

That's the answer. There are some speedmaps....

http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=60162

I wonder how easy it would be to get some zerstorer mapsources? 

..What is max length(characters) of a message with trigger_once ?
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How do I implement cutscenes portion code from Zer or Vision in my mod? Copy/paste in the progs.dat? Or need to modify other files ?
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Why nobody has created a simple camera entity for Worldcraft/Quake yet ? (eheh) 

info_camera. And if you do want to create your own mod then there's inside3d.com. I have zero QuakeC ability. You can map for Zerstorer (it's very similar to Quake, just a few entities added!
The mod comes with documentation and the source for the progs.dat! Inside the .zip you will find DEVKIT.txt and DEVKIT.zip. There lies the key! 

http://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/zer.html 

The CutsceneCameraKit has all you need.
You don't need to bunch Zerstorer.

http://members.home.nl/gimli/cck.txt

And as I couldn�t find the level on Quake addict...,

http://members.home.nl/gimli/VISION.ZIP 

Darrin MacNeal was so good to make this level and add the CCK in 1-15/97.

Great level, I couldn�t find it on QuakAddicted. 

i feel i should warn you... even if you get the camera thing working, you will not get good results from panning the camera. stick to a still camera or at the most slide the camera itself.
if you must pan the camera, do it quickly.

low angles resolution means a slow pan will be very jerky. 

 

On Negke's page, here: http://negke.quaddicted.com/files/aderlass_src.zip 

trigger_once max characters is just under 40 I think, with 3 lines and 2 linebreaks (/n)

I remember seeing good panning results on newer GL game engines, not sure though. Always worth watching for me.